Featured What Happens to the Souls of the Well Meaning Churchgoers?

The answer is yes. Sinners aren't saved because of what motivated them, although Jesus used fear of Hell as an impetus as I will show, but by repenting and putting their trust in Christ: that He is who He said He is and that He did what He said He did for our salvation.

Jesus preached hell as a place of judgement for both body and soul, and said to fear God, who had the power to put you there:

Matthew 10:28 (KJV)
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Jesus also described hell as a place where the worm dieth not and fire is not quenched, indication everlasting torment lest some say the body and soul are completely burnt up.

 

Depends if they preach/teach how the sinners gets saved the biblical way, regardless if the use of "born again' or not!

problem though is that MANY churches do indeed teach salvation that does not save,a s they hold to believing their own theology, getting baptised, spreaking in other tongues etc, but NO)T holding to being born again thru simply faith in jesus alone,byGrace alone!

We also recognize that God can save a sinner despite wrong, even heretical theology, as God has redeemed out Cathoics, even cult members, but that is due to his mercy and grace , NOT to their bad/wrong beliefs!

 

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Matt 5:48
In Jesus's day it was believed the rich had an advantage over the poor for he was rich because he had been blessed by God, therefore when Jesus made this statement; And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Matt 19:24 it drew this response; When his disciples heard, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 19:25

Has there been over one of himself perfect? Will there be more that one saved, entering the kingdom of God, inheriting eternal life.

If yes; How? Will it be for something they believe, something they do?

How about because it is the gift of God, through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Question. If he is judged before he dies what does that verse above mean?

 

See, your problem is that you thinking like a natural man. I have heard lost people use the same love argument. You don't know what you are talking about, comparing the way you think with the way God should think. You want to put God into a box and make Him do what you want. Sorry, your logic does not add up.

I guarantee you one thing, you would never give your only son over to evil men, to be tortured almost beyond recognition by being beaten by a whip with leather thongs on the end with objects such as bits of metal, etc., that would lay open the flesh upon him, so bad that his bones stared up at Him. He was so weak He could not carry His cross. You would not willingly send your son to die a slow death of suffocation after being nailed to a cross. No, you would never do that, pal, so by your logic, God would never do that either, because if sinful man wouldn't be that cruel, then surely God would not be that cruel to His own son. Do you see the fallacy of your argument? Thank God the Father that it pleased Him to bruise His own Son so that those who have faith in Him can be saved. Don't tell anyone how God should think, son, as you don't have a clue. Your words above are close to being blasphemous imo.

 

As far as I am concerned its quite simple.

If they had sincere faith in Christ, they are saved. If they didnt,' they are lost.


If they never heard the gosple, they will of course be saved or lost acording to how they responded to the "Light" that they DID recieve.(Johns Gosple, I-10)

Praise God

 

It seems to me that you are being too harsh to this person. Why? I don't understand your hostility.

 

OH!!! how the anger boils within you friend

God is LOVE--- Them who Loveth NOT their brother does NOT have the Love of God abiding in them !!!

Further more we are told to love and pray for our enemies just as Christ done the same for us when we were his enemies!!!

In you saying if you had power to save all mankind if you would do it?you said NO???

Lack of Love for your Brother i would say ??

I would most certainly do it if i had power to do so!!!

But fear not, God who is almighty hath done just that !!!

 

Thank you for your welcome!

 

If you think that is hostile, then you are naive. A blasphemous fallacy demands a stern response. I don't know him, so there is no hostility to him. But I know his false doctrines, and they are lies out of hell that could potentially damn others to hell imo. It sees to me that he is the one treating God harshly by pretending to speak for Him.

Once again, it's mighty convenient for you to come along when you did to try and save him.

 

No, the anger that boiled over was the anger of God at sin. When you look at what happened to Jesus, then you understand how much God hates sin. Your problem is that you only see the love of God. You can't have love without hate, and you can't have saved without lost. You try to have your cake and eat it too. You mispresent the scriptures, lie, and spread false doctrine. Those are despicable characteristics when men's souls are in the balance. There is nothing personal toward you as I don't know you. But I know your false doctrines.

 

I posted immediately after your answers above in all caps so that you would see them better and realize they were from me. I most certainly never said if I were God and had the ability to save all men that I would not. I am not God nor do I pretend to be as you seem to do.

Speaking of being harsh, who said the following:

John 8:43-45 (KJV)
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Notice the reference to lying?

 

I have decided that I don't like you very much. Why? Your primary mode of communication is the insult.

I can assure you I am not naive. Further, I have run across a lot of people like you, and I didn't care for them, either.

I also don't like your insinuations. What are you trying to say? I "came along when I did" because I did a search for theology discussions forums, found this one, registered, and waited for my account to be approved. As soon as it was, I began posting. I was reading the forum while waiting for my registration to be approved. It's as simple as that.

So, spit it out: Are you hypothesizing some kind of conspiracy theory between me and this other person? If so, it seems you have more than just a personality problem.

 

As you just admitted, you are the one with the problem with me. I just noticed that you came along and only posted on threads hiswitness had started, and you seem to take it personally when others post to contradict his fallacies. That is my opinion. You have made yours plain: you don't like me. What happened to love? Hiswitness even tried to imply that God sent you to back him up. No, if anyone sent you to back up fallacies, it was not God. You say you don't believe in universalism, and I presume you believe in eternal punishment of the lost, yet you defend his posts as if they are true. You immediately gave hiswitness advice to try and keep him here. After that, he would not answer the simplest question: Do you believe that the lost will be in hell forever? You told him you hope he doesn't get banned. Me,, I pray for his salvation if he isn't saved, and for him to quit his lying and spreading of false doctrine if he is. You have no problem with it and don't seem to care if it causes anyone that may be lost here to think they are saved because he says that everyone will be saved. Don't you have a problem with that?

 

I believe we are all responsible for our own souls. Yesterday I spoke to some Catholics about Salvation who claimed to already be saved. It seems impossible to explain Salvation to someone who believes they are saved already. They gave me a very poor account of their Salvation. It seems they might believe the Roman Catholic Church's baptism, and the Eucharist actually saves them because not one of them ever mentioned the death and resurrection of Christ or His ascending in to heaven. In my opinion believing this is most important. Maybe some of the more educated Catholics may know that faith is what actually saves and that is the faith that Christ' death and resurrection is what that faith is all about.
MB

 

i never said if you were God friend--your adding words again