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What has happened to "Thus saith the LORD?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Comrade, Sep 18, 2004.

  1. Jim Ward

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    James, are you sure that Larry even has a point here?
     
  2. MTA

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    I grew up with the KJV of the Bible. It is the Bible version I am most comfortable with and when someone refers to the Bible, that is the version I think of. I enjoy the way it is written and the manner that the Spirit of the Lord speaks to me from its pages.

    Still, it is just a translation and although it is not an inspired translation, it is obvious the Lord has blessed it since 1611. True, the language has undergone many changes since it was first published, but every preacher I have ever heard has taken those now archaic expressions and difficult passages and paraphrased them into language that was more easily understood by their congregations.

    I do not suppose that a KJV of the Bible literally translates into Spanish, Chinese, Russian, or any other language any better than any other version would, but does not make the translation wrong.

    It is all about what you are comfortable using. Particular errors and inconsistencies within translations will likely always exist and these should be identified and clarified when they are discovered.

    I appreciate that the KJV is not copyrighted and that it is free to use, copy, and share. That is not the case with some of the later versions, but that is another issue entirely.
     
  3. av1611jim

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    What happened to "Thus saith the Lord"?
    It was changed to "This is what God would like for you to do".
    One unequivacally (sp?) says GOD SAID!!!
    The other is a watered down suggestion.
    One is, GOD DEMANDS!!!
    The other is "How to succeed and win friends blah blah blah"
    One is YOU MUST !!!
    The other is "Well perhaps it should better be..."
    The way I see it is this; When the pulpits of the church lost "Thus saith the Lord" we lost our influence. No more does the world look upon our churches as bastions of holiness and morality. We are now viewed as "social clubs for irrelevant nay sayers"
    Too bad this thread degenerated into yet ANOTHER KJB vs MV merry-go-round.
    Fact is, were the MV's so good at communicating "Thus saith the Lord" perhaps the MV churches would LOOK like it.
    Has anyone but me noticed that in the 20th century alone the church has moved closer to what the world was a few years ago as the world has moved ever closer to more and more debauchery?
    What happened to HOLDING THE LINE while the world moves farther and farther away?
    Seems obvious to this observer that IF we had done so, the LINE would be oh so clear today.
    In His service;
    Jim
     
  4. Jim Ward

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    "Fact is, were the MV's so good at communicating "Thus saith the Lord" perhaps the MV churches would LOOK like it."


    AMEN!
     
  5. Pastor Larry

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    You are simply incorrect. We believe God has preserved his word for us. WE do not attack his word. We believe it. You have attacked God's word openly and without conscience.

    Now you are changing yoru story??? It used to be satan who fired the first round. You can't even make up your mind about that.
     
  6. Pastor Larry

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    I didn't say anything of the sort. I think you should obey God's will, and God's will is for you not to hold false doctrine, even with good intent.

    I don't have any idea what you are talking about here. What do you want me to elaborate on? It is always wrong (out of God's will) for you to hold false doctrine, no matter how good your intent is. I am not sure how to elaborate on that any more.
     
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    The MV churches that I have been around are very strong churches with good standards. The KJVO churches that I have been around are very weak. I am sure that is not the case in every situation, but that has certainly been my experience. I have never been around a KJVO church with a doctrinally knowledgeable congregation. I think that is becasue the teaching is weak. There is a lot of stomping and snorting, but not doctrinal teaching going on. We need stronger churches, and the first step on teh way there is eliminating false doctrine.
     
  8. James_Newman

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    I didn't say anything of the sort. I think you should obey God's will, and God's will is for you not to hold false doctrine, even with good intent.

    I don't have any idea what you are talking about here. What do you want me to elaborate on? It is always wrong (out of God's will) for you to hold false doctrine, no matter how good your intent is. I am not sure how to elaborate on that any more.
    </font>[/QUOTE]OK, brother Larry, I will ask it plainly. How do we determine what is sound doctrine if we do not have a sound word of God to go by? Your saying that my belief in the KJV's sufficiency is wrong. How do you know? How do you know that what ever scripture you hold to be true is true?
     
  9. GrannyGumbo

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    The mv baptist churches I've been around are very weak with poor standards; as a matter of fact, they look no different from the world. We are the only baptist in our area who uses the Holy Bible as our final authority. Our teaching is strong as our pastor follows the Lord. He doesn't stomp and snort, but it'd be okay with me if he did.
     
  10. James_Newman

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    Granny, we had a visiting missionary come in this weekend, and he stomped and snorted real good. You would have liked it [​IMG]
     
  11. GrannyGumbo

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    I imagine I would've. My son'n'law just isn't the type to stomp and snort, but I have seen others and I LIKED it!
     
  12. Craigbythesea

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    Preachers that calmly tell their congregations the truth are a rare commodity in backwoods churches. I guess these folks find the truth to be rather boring, especially if the words are spoken in a Godly manner, rather than imitating a constipated pig.
     
  13. Jim Ward

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    Will the lies ever stop?

    For some reason, I seriously doubt it.
     
  14. Craigbythesea

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    Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

    Yes, the lies will stop! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Thus saith the Lord.
     
  15. gb93433

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    It is an even fewer number who make disciples like Jesus called His disciples to do.

    Of course some look and act ike a constipated pig. I wonder how many would want a heart surgeon to look and act like that? Why would anyone settle to hear someone shout stomp and spit while full of theatrics in their bag and say so little? They would not even hire a car mechanic like that. The Pastor is the spiritual surgeon and yet why is it that so many like the ignorance and theatrics of those who do not study.

    Years ago when I was much younger I wanted to learn how to knock on doors and witness to people. So I asked pastors over the years. Most of them had all kinds of excuses. Finally I met a pastor who said, "Sure would you like to come with me." He is one of my closest friends today. That pastor won many to Christ and still continues to. Thank God for genuine men like him!
     
  16. James_Newman

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    I'm sure Jesus sounded a lot like Mr Rogers when he coined this one:
    Matthew 5:22
    But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

    And someone should probably tell the Lord he's getting a little rowdy here, huh.
    John 12
    28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
    29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.

    Psalm 32:11
    Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.
    You hear that? You baptists need to keep it down!
     
  17. gb93433

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    Well I took the deacons out witnessing each week. We started a witnessing program where we did it as a church. I discipled the deacons showing them how to make disciples. Each deacons was required to start at least one Bible study before they would be given any ministry in the church.

    A funny thing happened. All of the KJVO's left. Some removed and other God removed them. When I heard a few say they were going to leave I invited them to stay and lead people to Christ and disciple them. But they were not up to the task. I was not going to argue about their points of view. In the sermons I gave I noted what the characterisitics of a godly leader were. A leader leads. He doesn't just talk about leading. He leads by having followers who look to him for leadership.

    There were some who were KJV preferred and they stayed. Everyone of them produced and led Bible studies. But the staunch KJVO's left to go somewhere else.
     
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    How true for anyone who follows Jesus.
     
  19. Craigbythesea

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    It is my opinion that Jesus sounded a whole lot more like Mr. Rogers than He did like a constipated pig. But what do I know? I am not a KJO!
     
  20. James_Newman

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    thus saith Craig
     
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