What Identifies A Christian As A Baptist?

Then how do you apply the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

Could that be the reason why Paul did not push water baptism but preach the gospel instead?

1 Corinthians 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

 

I was referring to how you seem to define baptism as meaning only immersion and yet what some Baptists refer to Romans 6:3-4 for, they should consider that it will always applies to the baptism with the Holy Spirit, right?

Since water baptism is not required for salvation as those Gentiles did receive the promise of the Holy Ghost before water baptism in Acts 10:43-44, ( but they did get water baptized afterwards ) then why is it that some of the references used to define water baptism as meaning immersion only, is not ap[lied to the baptism with the Holy Ghost that all believers had received?

I know that some believers misapply Ephesians 5:18 as if exhorting believes to avoid getting drunk but instead seek a filling of the Holy Spirit but that is actually an apostate calling that ignores the warning in 2 Corinthians 11:2-4 when Ephesians 5:18 is just exhorting believers to say sober, as be filled with the Holy Ghost or remained filled with the Holy Spirit rather than getting drunk with wine.

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We are not a leaky vessel that needs a continual filling of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved. KJV

That is why after coming to & believing in Jesus Christ, no saved believer need to hunger nor thirst to be filled again.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

The only reason God permits those strong delusion to occur is because wayward believers believed the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirt again and by an outward sign too as feeling the spirit coming into them as the world does with spirits.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

We are complete in Christ after having received Jesus Christ and so being rooted in His words in trusting Him for all things including His enabling us to follow Him in thought, word, and deed, is how we grow in our relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ rather than follow after the appearance of evil for how the world receives spirits continuously by signs & wonders..

Colossians 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

So how do you avoid factionalism in the Baptist churches when some insist water baptism has to be done by immersion only and that only an authorized Baptist church can give it? Doesn't that smack something the RCC has done to Catholics?

I do not know what you mean by nationals, let alone national leadership when each believer is to be submissive to the Head of the church, Whom that Head is Christ Jesus and therefore submissive to His words and not any contrary words of a denomination as if those extra words are needed outside the scriptures when scriptures would reprove it for how they are misapplying His words to mean in that denomination. Since we are doing that with the Catholic church, then it also has to apply to the Baptist church whenever one goes astray by going beyond what the scriptures says for emphasizing les we wind up creating factions among the Baptists churches and not just within that Baptist church.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

We are not called to be disciples of the Baptist church nor testify of that church to glorify that church but to testify of the Son to seek the glory of the Son in the same way we are not to testify of a movement of the "spirit" in seeking the glory of that movement of the 'spirit" but to testify of the Son to seek the glory of the Son and by Him, the glory of God the Father. By the grace of God and His help, that is being the disciple of Jesus Christ.

 

I am aware of the baptism with the Holy Ghost at our salvation moment, but my point to John of Japan is this emphasis on water baptism for that immersion as I believed was misapplied in Romans 6:3-4 to be about water baptism, Romans 6:3-4 can always be applied to the baptism with the Holy Ghost which every saved believer has received by faith in Jesus Christ.

 

Can you clarify your comment in relation to what I was commenting about? I am not following you.

 

Actually, you are the one insisting on your meaning that baptism is immersion for why my point about the baptism of the Holy Ghost does the same immersion to the believer without water baptism.

I was speaking on how the filling of the Holy Spirit can only be a one time event and that is when we are born again of the Spirit and to point out that which is an apostate calling as departing from the faith in Jesus Christ in seeking to receive the Holy Spirit by a sign and so if that shoe fits, you just applied His words to yourself.

I had hoped that you had grown since last we had exchanged but I see you are still clinging to that Pentecostal / Charismatic mindset whether you recognized it or not.

If you disagree, then how do you defer from identifying with the Pentecostals & Charismatics as being Baptist? What keeps the Pentecostals and Charismatics from bringing their practice into your Baptist church?

Hardly an objection but asking for your explanation of your use of the term nationals.

Well, I know some people think higher of themselves than they ought but using your knowledge to put down others is hardly worthy of the call of any missionary, but thanks for explaining your use of the term nationals.

Romans 12:1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

At any rate, we are not like-minded in Christ because of the apostasy you admitted you are in, even though you are still my brother.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:

2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.

5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.

6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;....

.....14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

 

Thanks for confirming my point about the baptism of the Holy Spirit that can also be applied as the immersion of the believer without water baptism.