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And he like many others set up a strawman so he has something to defeat. Which is that their salvation is based on a prayer. It fails the honesty test.

 

I know his arguments. That book is not the only place he makes his strawman. And it is not "most in the (so called) movement". It is false and he knows it.

 

They may not be but false conversions are not a result of faulty methods they are a result of the poor intentions of the false converts. There were false converts in Jesus day, there have always been false converts. Blaming the wrong thing will not stop that.

Says more about him than any prayer he said.

 

Jesus himself showed an example of what you call "easy believism";

Luk 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

The Pharisee believed in Lordship Salvation. He boasted that he obeyed God's commandments, yet he was not saved.

The publican made no such boast, but simply cried out for God to have mercy on him.

Jesus said the publican went down to his house justified, all his sins forgiven.

This is what YOU call easy believism, and Jesus said this man was saved.

If a man sincerely calls upon Jesus to save him from his sins he is saved.

Those who trust in their works are not saved.

You should be careful who you listen to.

 

That is not an example of Lordship. That was about using the law to make themselves look good. Two completely different things. Lordship is about a genuine relationship with God not just following a set of rules.

 

Well, the Pharisee boasted that he followed all the commandments, much like Lordship Salvationists do.

And the fact is, he really did follow the commandments. The problem was he trusted in his own righteousness, and despised others.

And that is exactly what you see with Lordship Salvation, these folks always talk like they are living holy lives, while everybody else is a wicked sinner. You can see that very attitude in this thread.

That is exactly how this Pharisee acted. The publican on the other hand came in and cast himself on the mercy of God. He said a simple prayer.

And the publican was saved. Folks should take this as a lesson.

 

Uh no they do not. You do not really seem to understand the topic in which you criticize. Either that or you are just wanting to use inflammatory characterizations about a view you disagree with.

 

Give me a break, Lordship Salvationists are always accusing easy believism of not showing EVIDENCE OF SALVATION. And what do they mean by that? They are saying that Lordship Salvationists do WORKS. They pray, they go to church, they read their Bible, they give money to the church, etc...

They talk EXACTLY like the Pharisee did in this parable.

Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

The Pharisee is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of a Lordship Salvationist. And just as he despised the publican who simply prayed for forgiveness, that is exactly what Lordship Salvationists do here.

Note how Evangelist put down his brother who said an easy believism prayer. He is not like his wicked brother.

 

Here is what I am talkng about;

These guys always talk just like the Pharisee in Luke 18.

 

First I am not going to account for him. But his response has nothing to do with the doctrine. Much like the attack dog cals on this board do so not because of their doctrine but because it is in their hearts to do it.

And your posts on doctrine with which you disagree doesn't seem to be any different than theirs. I would say your response here and attitude is more closely related to the attitude of the pharisees than any doctrine.

 

Still sowing discord? Yup. You resemble your own accusations, and honestly it's sad and old. Grow up.

 

You know you'll never convince the likes of him. Don't allow him to harass, it is not profitable to engage him, we all know he only wants to attack Calvinists, accuse them, and stand against truth. You know better than to engage him John, what profit have you gained doing so?

 

He speaks truth and is greatly used and this is why persons fight against what he says.