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What is Biblical Inerrancy?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JustChristian, Jun 3, 2008.

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  1. No current Bible translation contains any errors

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  2. Current Bible translations are inerrant in message but contain some factural errors

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  3. The original manuscripts of the Bible were inerrant but errors were introduced in translation

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  4. The original manuscripts of the Bible were inerrant in message but contained some factual errors

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  5. There are no differences between different versions of the Bible

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  6. Only the King James translation of the Bible is without error

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  7. Only the King James translation is inerrant in message but it does contain factural errors

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  1. Thinkingstuff

    Thinkingstuff Active Member

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    To be honest. 24 hours ago. Since, I saw a profile that said they were primitive baptist (nudge nudge). I reviewed several websites. Elder Meeting minutes, different churches web pages, wikipedia, A Pastors own web page that tries to explain it. But from the different sites I visited they all see that they're primarily the same. Included with that I bring my own knowledge Christian History. However, it seems to be consistant with what I read hear and their statements. I think one had a FAQs page which was very informative.
     
  2. Dale-c

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    The issue here is that you are trying to disprove the inspiration of the NASB but God promised to preserve His Word.

    "For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe."(1 Thess. 2:13, NASB)
    See? I can use that both ways.
    And you still have not answered my questions.
    You must be able to answer these questions or you have no argument.
    I am not trying to disprove that the KJV is God's word. Rather I am opposed to the idea of special revelation to the KJV translators above and beyond other sinful men who have translated the perfect Word of God into their own languages.

    You are actually the one opposed to preservation here.
    It is you that wishes all translation to stop with a 17th century version.
    It is me whop favors that God providentially continues to preserve His word.

    I will post my questions one more time:

    1. If you insist on a 100% perfect and literal translation, which edition of the KJV contains 100% word for word THE Word of God?
    There have been many revisions of the KJV and I highly doubt you use the 1611.

    2. By what authority is the KJV "The Bible" and other translations are not, such as the Geneva Bible, the ASV, the NKJV and the NASB et al?

    3.3. What was THE Bible in the years prior to 1611 in England and at what exact time did the KJV become "The Bible"
     
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  3. Amy.G

    Amy.G New Member

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    Dale, the problem here is that you just make too much sense! There is no way to argue it. :thumbs:
     
  4. Dale-c

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    Amy, thanks for the kind words.
    The way KJVo people act they have a slam dunk case but can't even answer basic questions about their position, like what makes the KJV so special and where is its authority derived from?

    I say the KJV is special because it is a translation of the inspirerd Word of God.
    but then so is the NASB and others.
     
  5. PK

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    1) Are you talking about the 1629, 1638, 1762, and the 1769 Editions? These were not translations.
    Let’s start with the 1629 Edition. This was simply an effort to correct some printing errors in which two of the original translators assisted in this effort.
    Then there was the 1638 Edition. This edition also dealt with some printing errors having to do specifically with words and clauses.
    Then we have the 1762 and the 1769 edition in which both of these had to do with spelling changes. The English language prior to this had very few spelling rules so once these rules were established some changes were needed.
    As you can see there were no new translation or revisions published in the 1629, 1638, 1762, or the 1769. They were simply editions to the 1611 and only had to do with spelling and printing errors.
    So, I suppose you want to know which King James Bible do I have? Is it the 1611, the 1629, the 1638, the 1762, or the 1769? I have the 1769 edition of the King James 1611 Authorized Version.

    2) Because of the following: (This is not all!! There are plenty more examples)
    NIV = New International Version
    NASB = New American Standard Bible
    NRSV = New Revised Standard Version
    REB = Revised English Bible
    LB = Living Bible
    NWT = New World Translation
    NAB = New American Bible
    NKJV = New King James Version 


    Psalm 12:6-7
    The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

    The above promise says that God intends to preserve His WORDS forever. Lets see what the others say…

    NIV....... you will keep us safe
    NASB... Thou wilt preserve him
    NRSV... You, O Lord, will protect us
    REB...... you are our protector
    LB......... you will forever preserve your own
    NAB...... You, O Lord, will keep us

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    Isaiah 7:14
    Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
    Attack the Virgin Birth of Christ? (Hint: a young woman or a maiden is NOT always a virgin)
    NRSV... young woman
    REB...... young woman
    NWT..... maiden

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    Luke 2:33
    And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
    Was Joseph Christ's father?
    NIV....... The child's father
    NASB... His father
    NRSV... the child's father
    REB...... The child's father
    NWT..... its father
    NAB...... the child's father

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    I Timothy 3:16
    And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
    WHO was manifest in the flesh? GOD was manifest in the flesh. Cant be sure with these others:
    NIV....... He appeared in a body
    NASB... He who was revealed in the flesh
    NRSV... He was revealed in flesh
    REB...... He was manifested in the flesh
    LB......... who came to earth as a man
    NWT..... He was made manifest in the flesh
    NAB...... He was manifested in the flesh

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    Micah 5:2
    But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
    Is the Lord Jesus everlasting? Not according to these:
    NIV....... from ancient times
    NRSV... from ancient days
    REB..... in ancient times
    NWT.... from the days of time indefinite
    NAB..... from ancient times (vs. 1)

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    Isaiah 14:12
    How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
    Revelation 22:16 tells us that Jesus Christ is the "Morning Star". Why do these others say that Lucifer is?
    NIV....... morning star
    NASB... star of the morning
    NRSV... Day Star
    REB...... Bright morning star
    NWT..... you shining one
    NAB...... morning star

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    Daniel 3:25
    He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
    This is an excellent Old Testament verse, which shows that Jesus Christ existed long before He was born in Bethlehem.
    But lets see what other Bibles think of Jesus Christ and who He is:
    NIV....... a son of the gods
    NASB... a son of the gods
    NRSV... a god
    REB..... a god
    LB........ a god
    NWT.... a son of the gods
    NAB..... a son of God (vs. 92)

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    Colossians 1:14
    In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
    Where is the Atoning blood in your Bible?
    NIV....... redemption, the forgiveness of sins
    NASB... redemption, the forgiveness of sins
    NRSV... redemption, the forgiveness of sins
    REB..... our release is secured and our sins are forgiven
    NWT.... we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of sins
    NAB...... redemption, the forgiveness of our sins
    Acts 8:37
    And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
    The Church of Christ loves the following Bibles:
    NIV....... entire verse missing
    NRSV... entire verse missing
    REB...... entire verse missing
    NWT..... entire verse missing
    NAB...... omits entire verse, but re-numbers the verses so you won't miss it
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    3)In the available Antiochian manuscripts.
     
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  6. Ed Edwards

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    Point of order:

    James L. Melton at

    http://www.av1611.org/kjv/fight.html

    Wrote much of the last post

    1. Members have agreed with this statement:
    [SIZE=-1] You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by BaptistBoard.com. We will delete posts that contain copyrighted material not owned by you unless you have permission to post them there.
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    Unless PK is James L. Melton or own AV1611.com then Posting Ethics have been Violated, PK's Membership agreement has been violated, d PK's membership might be revoked, and laws have been broken for which the owners of BB (whom I happen to like) or PK might be liable before the law.

    This is NOT a minor matter.

    2. Here is a minor matter:

    It is an unwritten rule of the BB (Baptist Board), implied standard of bbs (Bulletin Boards), and mildly rude to quote Bibles you don't look into. I know Dale-C writes his own questions.

    I'm sorry, but Dale-C, myself, and others have continually shown the wrongness of these repeated errors. The Titanic was built by professionals; the Ark of Noah by amatures -- these lists of so called 'Bible readings' were made by professionals -- Dale-C, myself, and others on BB are amatures


    This item was edited late so I would not have to quote all the previous post, most of which shouldn't have been there :(

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  7. Dale-c

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    PK, I know how to copy and paste as well.
    But I am still awaiting YOUR answers.


    1. you sort of replied but not really. You say you use the 1769 (I knew that already BTW) but does that mean only the 1689 is error free?
    And if the others had printing errors were they then not the perfect Word of God?
    Was the Word perfected in the 1769 version?


    2. So you cite many textual differences. This in no way proves anything.
    And so there are SOME versions that have inferior readings at places such as the RSV when it uses "Young Woman" rather than virgin. I agree, that is not a good translation.
    but Most modern versions do not read it that way, certainly none that I use on a regular basis.

    You have failed to show the authority!
    Let me show you: If I say something it is not authoritative. If the Apostle Paul said something as an apostle it was inspired and authoritative.
    You are saying that the KJV translators have authority that other apparently do not. Why is that?

    And Why?
    Also why is the NKJV not the Bible if it has the same textual basis for the KJV?

    I will ask one more question that is likely to go ignored:
    What would it take to make a proper modern translation?
     
  8. Amy.G

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    If a preacher in his sermon, quotes a passage from the KJV, but paraphrases it, is it still God's word?

    If I paraphrase a passage when witnessing to someone because I don't have my bible with me, have I told them God's words? Is what I say ineffective because I didn't quote from the KJV verbatim?
     
  9. PK

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    Bro. Ed and my friends of the BB,

    Please accept my apologies. I did not break these rules on purpose but it appears that I have however broken them. I failed to see the COPYRIGHT in bold print on the front page and took the opening statement as a my reason for using the material. And I quote, "I urge you to become familiar with this little booklet. Mark or highlight the special places that will be most useful to you. Keep a copy close by and when the moment is right, USE IT!", end quote.
    For this reason I will accept the punishment for my actions and I will revoke my own membership to the BB. It has been fun and I have learned a lot from my friends here. I do have one question as I leave, does this BB rule apply to copyrighted Bibles?
    I will also contact Bro. Melton to make sure that I have not violated his copyright in anyway. I did not just simply "cut and past" but I did use some of his material under what I thought to be his permission in the statement above.

    See you in heaven!
    PK :wavey:
     
  10. Dale-c

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    I don't think you need to leave PK.
    It is fine to link to copyrighted material as long as you cite the sources etc.

    As far as copyrighted bibles, they all have a policy that allows for such things as quoting like this.
    The copyright is really only so you or I don't go printing and selling NIV bibles, just as only Cambridge and Oxford were given the privilege to print the KJV bibles England.
     
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