What is calvinism?

How about unconscious selfishness? Ever tried to take candy away from a baby? They will become very angry..... and that is not learned. They are selfish when they are born. Its human fallen nature.

 

How about the sin of falling short of the glory (perfection) of God. Is any baby perfect? If they die.... they are not perfect.

 

Law, sin

Where there is no law there is no sin. I didn't know that murder was a sin until the law came

 

So you don't think all means all?

 

No, it is about being perfect. No one can. We all miss the mark... however slightly...... even babies.

 

Um, didn't you add a word there? The Bible doesn't say "All that have sinned." It says, "All have sinned." On what basis do you omit babies from "all"? Doesn't that leave you with less than "all"?

 

Do you suck air? That is an unconscious act of self preservation. It is an automatic act. If there was only enough air for one person and there were two of you in a room... would you continue to breathe? Or would you stop breathing so the other could live? You will become unconscious, and start breathing.

 

As I pointed out, the passage does not say that "all" are "those who have sinned." In the passage, the "all" is "both Jew and Greek" (v. 9) and Paul is pointed out that all, both Jew and Greek, have sinned.

He is not saying "all that have sinned have fallen short." He is saying "all have sinned and fallen short."

The "all" is not qualified by "those who have sinned."

 

Web;
You need to start holding your breath all you can. Don't hold it too long but at least wait until you start to turn blue.

 

hello........

 

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Do you believe there is an "unpardonable sin?" There is! It is the sin of rejecting the Spirit Who is the ONLY one who can testify of God but He does so to EVERYONE, Larry. EVERYONE is "without excuse."

Paid and made available.

Salvation is available for ALL since ALL sins were paid for. Those who BELIEVE are the only ones who avail themselves of it though.

God sends people to hell whose sins are paid for, Larry. It is their UNBELIEF that Christ can't pay for. At the GWT, God will judge GOOD works of the lost so as to make their suffering less in the eternity. Didncha evey wonder how God was going to make hell worse for some?

Here's the thing -- you can't be anyone's child until you are commmitted to them like believers are committed to God! Your delineation is, thereby, flawed.

skypair

 

Go ahead with your "ordo salutis, pls.

You're explicating the difference between justification + sanctification on the one hand and glorification on the other, correct? I am talking about the first

So Calvin says. And I admit that "good" is an adjective of the last soil. But Calvin assumes that the second 2 seeds aren't saved, too. Yet the parable says that those seeds sprouted as well! So what is the seed and what is the plant?

Not so. There is a seed and it germinates into a plant. The seed is the Holy Spirit which is "planted" first. Then the soils yield a plants. Life taken from the soil and the seed combine to create the plant.

Maybe Calvin should have made them. I'm not saying Calvin is complete -- I'm saying SCRIPTURE is complete. I don't see that we believe the same exact thing. Do you?

I mean, that parable of the sower describe to us as well the first 4 dispensations. I'm sure you haven't considered that yet, have you? And yet, that being considered, maybe there is a whole 'nother reason for the parable of the sower.

skypair

 

Whoa, reformo! Back off. That's the "survival instinct" -- "want" innocently misconstrued to be "survival necessity." We all know how it looks but wome of us are not clear on the baby's motives, are we. Is survival a sin??

skypair

 

If you are going to keep giving the verse, then give it all. Rom 3:23 -- "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Infants have not sinned BUT they come short of God's glory, for sure.

Best to center your argument on other verses where you don't have to leave part of the verse out.

skypair