What is fundamentalism ?

Is your KJV-only view yoked with any unbelievers or Roman Catholics?

KJV-only author Floyd Jones wrote: "Basically it is Erasmus' work which is the foundation of the King James Bible" (WHICH VERSION, p.44). Peter Ruckman claimed that the AV text is a "combination of the Greek texts of Erasmus, Stephanus, Beza, and the Geneva Bible, and the Old Latin" (MONARCH OF THE BOOKS, p. 9).

Erasmus was a Roman Catholic. Martin Luther claimed that Erasmus was "a scoffer, a disguished atheist, and enemy of all religion" (Schaff, HISTORY OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH, p. 434). Robert Stephanus, who was royal printer to the French King Francis I (a Roman Catholic) and who had also edited editions of the Latin Vulgate, was still a Roman Catholic when he first edited a Greek text, and it is reported that he did not proclaim his conversion to Protestanism until his last edition of his Greek text. One or more of the Hebrew texts used by the KJV translators were printed by Daniel Bomberg, a Roman Catholic. The KJV translators also took some words from the Roman Catholic 1582 Rheims New Testament. One of the KJV translator had a brother who was one of the translators of the Rheims N. T. Can you prove that the KJV has no links or connections to any Roman Catholics?

 

Michelle how would you interpret Mt. 4:19?

Mt. 4:19, "And He said to them, "Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men."

Remember Jesus didn't call His disciples to make converts but disciples as He commanded in Mt. 28:19,20. Do you really think Jesus expected His disciples just to look at each other and hope the people they win to Jesus just happen to grow. Do you think Jesus just left His disciples to grow all by themselves. No, he nurtured them. He taught them to go out by faith and to live by faith. He gave them instruction.

If you believe that you can just leave people by the wayside to hopefully grow then you need to get an adjustment in your theology by reading Acts 20; Mt. 4:19 and Mt. 28:19,20. Who does the Holy Spirit make the overseer in Acts 20? You think the Holy Spirit makes God the overseer? Read again.

Over the course of my life I have met many who were led to Christ by someone in a church and there was evidence of salvation but of little growth. So when I met them I started meeting with them each week to pray, read the Bible, memorize scripture, witness and just to have fun. Today many of them are in some kind of ministry. If they are not they are still discipling others. Some of them date back 30 years.

God has called us to reproduce ourselves in the lives of others not just make babies to populate the earth and call that good. We are responsible for making disciples. What you wrote makes about as much sense as leaving the raising of your children up to God when He has given you that task. The fact it is a total neglect of the spiritual good of another if you do that. We have our part and God has His. God has called us to do our part. We know He will do His.

 

So tell us how many are living for Jesus Christ because of your life.

 

"I used to go to a catholic church prior to my salvation, and my son also went to a Roman Catholic school. God has shown me through the scriptures that they do not worship the true Jesus Christ. They worship a pagan Christ, that is not the Christ of the scriptures. They also worship a little wafer god. The Roman Catholic church is part of the woman who rides the beast. Read her description sometime in the scriptures. It is very pagan."

I too was catholic and left. But evidently I did a little more studying than you did there. They use our Bible Michelle. Many of them ARE lost for sure - but being catholic does not preclude salvation.

 

Michelle, Have you won as many souls to the Lord as Dr. Graham? Have you been as instrumental in restoring as many people to the Lord as he has? Have you paid for others to go to Bible college or Christian schools? Have you even begun to size up to Dr. Graham? We could easily say because of your false accusations against Dr. Graham and others who use the MV's over the KJV that you are a wolf in sheeps clothing, promoting a false doctrine.

 

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Erasmus was a Roman Catholic
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I do not fellowship with Erasmus. Erasmus was a saved man, if you read anything that he wrote, and he was not Catholic at the end of his life. The scriptures have nothing to do with what we are talking about. God has providence over his words. They are in HIS CONTROL. If you would like to talk about those responsible for the texts underlying the KJB and all other bibles prior to the advent of the critical text, let us then talk about Tishendorf, Greisbach, Westcott and Hort and compare their fruits. I think you would be quite amazed at the difference. Godly men, verses ungodly men.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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Michelle, Have you won as many souls to the Lord as Dr. Graham?
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How do you know how many souls Dr. Graham has led to the Lord? Have you spoken to these people? Do numbers of professed confessions make it valid and godly? Or is it rather God's truth and the obediance to his truth that matters? Jesus said, that it is far better to leave the 99 sheep for the one lost sheep. Even one soul matters to the Lord, and I hope and pray, with all the Lord has given to me to share the gospel with, that I have done what he has willed for me, and that I have been obediant to his commands, and a good witness and help to others He has brought into my life. I do not look at this issue in numbers, but in truth and love. God will figure out and work the rest. It sickens me that many look to numbers today as evidence. The numbers could be very deceptive. What matters to God is true conversions, and leading that person in the right path, not the wrong one.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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Remember Jesus didn't call His disciples to make converts but disciples as He commanded in Mt. 28:19,20. Do you really think Jesus expected His disciples just to look at each other and hope the people they win to Jesus just happen to grow. Do you think Jesus just left His disciples to grow all by themselves. No, he nurtured them. He taught them to go out by faith and to live by faith. He gave them instruction.

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Exaclty, which many of the people that were referred to go to apostate churches will not recieve as a result. They unfortunately will not be nurtured in the truth of Jesus Christ, but in lies and distortions of the truth. A false gospel, and a false Christ will they be taught in those churches. Billy Graham preached them only the positive side of the light and then turned them over to wolves. Shame on him!


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

What you have written is such an absolute lie. Who ever gave you such nonsense. You ought to be ashamed to post such a thing and dishonor a man who tries to live for Jesus.

Prov. 3:35, “The wise will inherit honor, But fools display dishonor.”

Prov. 22:10, “Drive out the scoffer, and contention will go out, Even strife and dishonor will cease”.

I have personally been involved with the BGEA and followed up on those who made decisions. Some of those were in the Bible study I led. My wife led a study for young teenage girls. Many in the church led Bible Studies too. How can you make such unfounded allegations. What you have written is a lie right from Gehenna. Just read James and see what he says about the tongue and where that kind of talk comes from. Your speech is just plain poison. It is not edifying at all.

Furthermore you should read some more information and realize he asked Dawson Trotman to help him follow up on the decisions people made. How many meetings have you shown up to help follow up on the people who made decisions. In fact one of the ladies from the church I pastored went on to help with the next BGEA crusade.

So before the next time you post try practicing picking the log out of your own eye first.

And read about Billy Graham found at http://www.bibleteacher.org/Dm118_8.htm

Now tell us about those you have won and are making disciples.

 

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God has called us to reproduce ourselves in the lives of others not just make babies to populate the earth and call that good. We are responsible for making disciples. What you wrote makes about as much sense as leaving the raising of your children up to God when He has given you that task. The fact it is a total neglect of the spiritual good of another if you do that. We have our part and God has His. God has called us to do our part. We know He will do His.
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Where have I ever said this? In fact it is you all who are condoning and defending a man who does, and then turns them over to a den of wolves.
You got it backwards. You should be telling Billy Graham this, not me.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

You display such ignorance. Certainly you have not heard him preach by what you wrote.

 

As stated previously, Dr. Graham may have strayed, but he is saved, not a wolf in sheeps clothing. You are a liar by calling him such. He will give an account for the things he has or has not done, just as you and I both will. Your trying to negate his salvation by calling him a wolf in sheeps clothing is not only untrue (Dr. Grahams cousin used to be my pastor in Tremont, Illinois, and I have talked with Billy Graham, and know MANY, MANY people who have been saved as a result of his ministry), but is foolish of you.

 

You can false accuse me all you desire. God knows. You have been warned.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

People aren't saved by men. People are saved by God, and from hearing his words, and the conviction of God upon their hearts. Billy Graham has saved no one. This ability is God's only.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

gb, I can tell you where she probably has gotten a majority of her information on Billy Graham, and that is David Cloud. Dr. Cloud has nothing good to say about anyone who disagrees with him, at points twisting it to be that these people also disagree with sound doctrine. He is a hyper-critical defamer of the brethren.

 

In his "On Mending the Peace of the Church," Erasmus wrote: "Let us agree that we are justified by faith, i. e., the hearts of the faithful are thereby purified, provided we admit that the works of charity are necessary for salvation" (ESSENTIAL ERASMUS, p. 379). Eriks observed that "Luther rightly points out that Erasmus says man merits salvation" (PROTESTANT REFORMED THEOLOGICAL JOURNAL, April, 1999, p. 46).

E. W. Campbell cited a source that said that Erasmus "died in the presence, and with the spiritual assistance of a Catholic priest, Lambert Coormans, a former protege of his, some time his secretary, who, at the very end, performed the duties of his chaplain" (ERASMUS, TYNDALE, AND MORE, p. 275).

I have read some of the writings of Erasmus and have done some research concerning him and his doctrinal views.

 

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You display such ignorance. Certainly you have not heard him preach by what you wrote.
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Has he preached against the heresies of the Roman Catholic Church? Does he yolk himself with them and yolk others with them without any warning? Does he share with them, the true gospel of Jesus Christ, or does he compromise truth on those issues? You clearly do not know what YOU are talking about.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Could you show me where I ever talked about Billy Graham in that post. I was talking about Jesus making disciples.

I guess it is an apostate church when someone goes to Chad risking their life for Jesus to start a church. I guess it is an apostate church when someone goes to Ethiopia and risks their life during communism to give out the gospel and disciple others for Jesus and start new church.

Tell us about those who are living for Jesus Christ because of your life.

 

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E. W. Campbell cited a source that said that Erasmus "died in the presence, and with the spiritual assistance of a Catholic priest, Lambert Coormans, a former protege of his, some time his secretary, who, at the very end, performed the duties of his chaplain" (ERASMUS, TYNDALE, AND MORE, p. 275).
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You can go ahead and believe Campbell, and all others who try to distort the truth of the TR to benefit themselves, and their attacks on the word of God, and those God used for it all you desire. Know this, you are believing the lies of men, and not the truth. The Roman Catholic Church considered him a heretic. He did not die with Roman Catholic rights, nor did he die unsaved. He was a saved man. Read what he wrote rather than what others wrote what he believed.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle