Hilarious! The answer to LSer fruit inspecting; just check the bracelets. Ingenuous!
What is Lordship Salvation?
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed, Dec 30, 2017.
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Romans 7:14-24 14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. 17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
21 I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22 For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. 24Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?
I find myself agreeing with the Apostle. I battle with sin every single day. When I was younger I would try to see if I could go at least one day without sin. If I could do that I thought I could get a streak going and maybe, possibly, stop sinning. It was a foolish attempt, to be sure. I was looking at my response to sin the wrong way. It is not about gritting my teeth and facing sin head-on. If I approach sin in that way I am doomed to failure. There is nothing I can do; or more appropriately, nothing I can do in my own power to resist sin. The power I possess is that of the Holy Spirit who is at work in me, to conform me to the image of Christ. Through the Spirit, I am to consider myself dead to sin (Rom. 6:11). But how can I do that when I still sin? That is the part that so vexed me. Well, the Apostle does not leave us hanging. He goes on to write in verse 14, "For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace." What is he telling me? He is telling me that I am not under a Law of blessing and cursing like ritualistic Judaism; a law that no man could ever keep. I am under grace. All my sins, past, present, and future were paid for by the Son of God who died and was punished on my behalf, "and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me" (Gal. 2:20).
So were do works enter into this? They do not in the way LS opponents think that we view them. Because we are under grace we are free to live as a disciple without the crushing weight of judgment. Our sin can still welcome the discipline of the Lord, but we are no longer treated as covenant-breakers, as transgressors. We are free to serve God. In fact, we have a heart that wants to serve Him. There is no greater calling for the Christian than to be of service to Him who died for us.
Lordship Salvation would be better understood if it was called Discipleship Salvation. We are called to be disciples. Show me the person who refutes that statement and I will show you a person who does not understand the Gospel. I repeat. Show me the person who refutes that statement (that we are called to be disciples) and I will show you a person who does not understand the Gospel. A disciple is a follower. A follower is someone who follows. Followers do not just say "I will follow you" and then sit on the sofa eating bonbons all day. Followers actually do something...they follow. During Jesus' earthly ministry His disciples literally followed him. The physically walked with him. They ate what He ate. They slept where He slept. They witnessed His miracles. They ministered in His name. Their discipleship was a kinetic discipleship. We are called to do the same. The Great Commission did not stress decisions for Christ. Interesting, is it not? The Great Commission stressed disciples. Matthew 28:19-20, "19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” These replicated disciples were to be taught to observe all that Jesus commanded His original disciples. Observe? Keep or do. Act like a disciple. And the thing is that if you are a disciple you will act like one. One begets the other. Yeah. OK. If you want to bring up the thief on the cross as an example of someone who never had the opportunity to do good works, go ahead and try. That is a softball easily hit out of the park. A mark of a disciple is that he has repented and believed in the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 17:30). The dying thief certainly did that (Luke 23:43).
Anthony, forgive the morning rant, but I got on a roll! Have a blessed day. -
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1) Would the RYR have been saved from God's wrath had he sold everything he owned and gave it to the poor?
2) Are you saying that it is a necessary prerequisite of salvation to change one's behavior prior to coming to Christ? -
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