What is our responsibility as Christians

The Scriptural quote I offer is from the New Testament author Paul. But whether old or new, the Christian should be willing to apply all of scripture to all of life.

 

Paul would agree with us that Homosexuality is a sinful behaviour/practice, church ought to preach out against it from being seen as an 'acceptable lifestyle" BUT

my point is that paul nor jesus ever said stone them/throw them in jail if they decide to do that!

can legislate mo marriages accepted, but they can still do that, but we still need to point out that its wrong!

 

Paul never said to seperate our faith from our calling either. Therefore, if called to civil service as a legislature, we have no precedent from Scripture to act other than that with our Christian convictions. Let me ask this of you,

If the Christian is not to judge morality, right and wrong, based upon God's own standard of righteousness, from what other source is the Christian to determine what is right and wrong and legislate law?

 

"What is our responsibility as Christians?"

Beware of Herods leaven.

 

Nobody should go too far too fast before getting instructions from the Lord. Too many Christians hitch their wagon to the front of the horses instead of behind. All moral and Biblical issues are worth advocating for, but we need the Lord to help us in our ways and means of advocating for those issues. He gives wisdom to those who humbly ask. I don't find fault, however, with anyone doing what they can to push for Biblical principles in govt. as long as they don't use ungodly means in the attempt.

 

We as christians and as the church in America aree indeed called by God to "judge/discern/expose sin" but we are NOT to impose our standards upon society, as they will have to choose between doing right and wrong...

Are you saying that we should make it illegal to be 'gay/another religion/" etc?

In a "democracy" like ours, people given options to chose....

 

JF: "We as christians and as the church in America aree indeed called by God to "judge/discern/expose sin" but we are NOT to impose our standards upon society, as they will have to choose between doing right and wrong..."

Me: Are we not now living under somebody's imposed standards?

JF: "Are you saying that we should make it illegal to be 'gay/another religion/" etc?"

Me: "I'm saying Christians need to be willing to look good and hard at what God says about these things, and apply His Word to every aspect of their life, be it in the family, the church, or the state. No area of the created order should be exempt from God's own standard, for the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof!

 

Would you be for the USA to adopt as our rule of law the law that governed ancient isreal?

 

Hi FAL,

Yes, of course. I was asserting my opinion that according to the scripture everything we do should be tempered by our faith and the word of God.

However it is not a simple yes or no answer.
As to each your inquiries, we all have our personal interpretation/opinions which is also a freedom according to our Constitution and also according to the Baptists Distinctives.

e.g. I would hope that everyone here at the BB has a pro-life view and exercises their right to vote to eliminate pro-death.

Sadly, this is not true or at least seems that way from what I remember from the past though it was a small minority.

I believe a pro-death view is not allowed to be advanced here at the BB, not sure.

Same with the God ordained institution of marriage and its scriptural definition.

So, yes, I use my freedoms tempered by faith and the word of God within the framework of government to advance righteousness.

However, living within a "multi-everything" society ruled by a representative government (at least in the beginning) there are other forces at play even from within the "religious communities" with which we contend.

These forces go against the wishes of the true children of God and would (if they could and often do) keep us from exercising these rights under the banner of "political correctness" for example and are even labeled as hate crimes in some societies.

HankD

 

Would you then agree with me that while we need to vote based upon biblical principles/guidelines, and should seek to have laws passed reflecting them...

In our type of government, we would still have to allow for others to chose 'badly/sinful" if they so desire?

Thinking in regrads to need to outlaw gay marriages as being sinful, not a valid biblical marriage arrangement, but IF they still seek to be a 'couple" cannot step in and outlaw that relationship?

That there are some things that we should and must legislate, but other things have to leave open to personal choices?

 

Hi JF,

That we have to allow for certain things is a given over which we have no control as it comes along with the Bill of Rights.

If it comes to a vote then I would choose against the modern perversions of marriage and child murder.

People don't need my permission to allow for them to choose badly/sinful".
They do that without my allowing it.

e.g. Personally I don't allow but I am compelled by law to tolerate "legal" perversions and abortion - opposition is my mode of action when the legal opportunity presents itself, and prayer against such things being legalized is ever-present.

HankD

 

Politics are of the world, man made doctrines. We are in the world not of it. The Kingdom operates on the earth, but the Kingdom cannot be seen by the world. Beware of Herods leaven.

 

jesus and paul though recognized politics/governements as "necessary evils"

And that is how the Roman Empire was changed,by Christians rising up in roles such as Senators/trubutes etc, finally as Emporer in Constitine!

 

The followers of Jesus wanted to make Him natural King. He departed from them.

Pilate wanted to know about His Kingdom, if it was a physical threat to the Roman Empire. He replied it was a Kingdom not of this world.

We war not against flesh and blood, but against spiritual powers. These spiritual powers are from Satan, called man made government.

Democracy is not from God. It is a selfish doctrine. "We the People" "The Bill of Rights" are in opposition to "deny yourself to become like Him.'

Jesus is Husband, we are the Bride. The Bride does not guide the Husband.

We are the Body. He is the Head. The Body does not tell the Head what to do.

He is the Good Shepherd, we are the sheep. The sheep do not lead the shepherd.

Beware the leaven of Herod.