Featured What is regeneration or new birth?

1. First it does not say "washing of regenertion BY CHRIST and renewing of the Holy Ghost."

2. Second, your interpretation is repudiated by the Greek grammar as both "washing of regeneration AND renewing of the Holy Ghost" are all found in the same genitive case showing they are one grammatical unit attributed to the Holy Spirit. They are two different works performed by the ONE Holy Spirit.

δια λουτρου παλιγγενεσιας και ανακαινωσεως πνευματος αγιου

However, I am not going to argue this point no longer with you.

 

No you did not. Matthew 19:28 is the only passage you could find with the word "regeneration" and it refers to when the apostles will judge Israel of upon their thrones. Christ is sitting at the right hand of the Father in heaven rather than upon his own "throne" in the NEW AGE (regeneration) to come.

You have proved nothing but complete nonsense.

 

In Titus 3:5 the work of regeneration/new birth is a CREATIVE act by God that produces an inward NEW man by a Negative and positive creative work:

1. NEGATIVELY: WASHING/CLEASING act of the Spirit of God that removes the defilement of sin from the spirit of man making it the dwelling place of the Spirit of God and cleanses the guilt from the conscience - Eph. 2:10; Jn. 3:6; Heb. 9:14

2. POSTIVELY: RENEWING act of the Spirit of God that restores the image of God: - Col. 3:10; Eph. 4:24

Col. 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Eph. 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Regeneration/new birth reverses the internal condition of the unregenerated state which is describe in part in Ephesians 4:18:

Eph. 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

Regeneration/new birth reverses "the understanding darkened" by spiritual enlightenment (1 Cor. 2:14; Eph. 1:18).

Regeneration/new birth reverse "alienated from the life of God THROUGH IGNORANCE" by direct revelation of God through Christ through the spirit of man to his mind removing ignorance and thereby establishing spiritual union with God through Christ (Mt. 16:17; Jn. 17:3; 2 Cor. 4:6; Eph. 2:10)

Regeneration/new birth reverses "the blindness of their heart" by giving them a seeing and perceivng believing new heart (Ezek. 36:26; Rom. 10:8-10).

Regeneration/new birth does not occur in heaven or by the work of Christ but on earth and by the work of the Holy Spirit INSIDE of man. Matthew 19:28 does not refer to anything in this age or in heaven but in the new age to come when Christ physically reigns upon his throne ON EARTH and the twelve apostles sit upon their thrones reigning over Israel.

 

Amazing how anyone can beleive such utter rediculous nonsense! The "keys" of authority had been taken from Israel's leaders (Mt. 21:43). It refers to the administrative authority as found in the Great Commission. It refers to the exercise of church discipline (Mt. 18:15-18). It is not something restricted to the office of Apostle as it resides in the church (Mt. 18::17-18).

If your rediculous intepretation were correct than the PLURAL "keys" (church discipline, administration of ordinances, teaching authority, authority to make disciples, authority to preach the gospel in announcing remission of sins to those who believe and condemnation upon those who do not; etc.) died with the office of Apostle.

If your rediculous intepretation were correct then the apostles are now dethroned and the "regeneration" has ceased to exist.

You can't have your cake and eat it too! Sitting on their thones over Israel cannot be on earth and in heaven both. They are dead and there is no transfer of thrones to heaven.

 

He is not sitting on HIS THRONE in the regeneration but he is sitting AT THE RIGHT HAND of the Father's Throne in heaven! He will not sit on HIS THRONE until he comes again as King of kings and Lord of lord's and sits on HIS THRONE over this earth (Mt. 25:31-33).

YOu are one messed up dude! You don't know the difference between sitting at THE RIGHT HAND of the Father's Throne and sittig on HIS throne.

 

yes, that explains your mind quite well. You are a heretic and your heresies permeate every aspect of your theology.

The "keys" PLURAL of the kingdom are the ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY given to the church through its ordained representatives (Mt. 18:17-18) and have absolutely NOTHING to do with the future regeneration and reigning over the twelve tribes of Israel. The so-called spiritual Israe is never characterized as divided into twelve tribes much less being reigned over by the Apostles here and now! Christ reigns over the kingdom on earth not the Apostles.

 

No, the resurrection is not what Titus 3:5 refers to any more than Matthew 19:28 is what Titus 3:5 refers to.

The Age to come (Mt. 19:28) is a CHANGED world as much as the resurrection to come obtains a CHANGED body.

Regeneration is change in the spirit of man wrought by the Holy Spirit - John 3:6

 

Titus 3:5 has nothing to do with Matthew 19:28 and the evidence is as follows:

Mt. 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Verse 28 is a response to Peter's question in verse 27. The apostles did not receive houses and lands and riches after Christ ascended into heaven to sit NOT ON HIS THRONE but at the right hand of the Father's throne. Indeed, the apostles nor we receive NO REWARDS for our sevice until after the judgement. The "regeneration" in verse 28 occurs AFTER the judgment of rewards and refers to the NEW AGE yet to come when Christ sits on HIS OWN THRONE of Glory:

Mt. 24:31 ¶ When the Son of man shall come in his glory , and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

 

David,

I can't remember discussing anything with you before. If we have, then it is my poor memory. However, it is good to make your acquaintance again or for the first time.

I agree with you that regeneration is the grace of God coming to you personally. However, even after regeneration we continue to access the grace of God wherein we initially were made to stand (Rom. 5:2). God also continues to show us mercy after regeneration. I do believe regeneration is the effectual call to glory (2 Thes. 2:14).

However, regeneration is more than that. It is a change of nature (Eph. 2:1-3; 4:19) and inward transformation (Titus 3:5; Col. 3:10; Eph. 4:24) whereby we become a new creation within or the creation of a "new" inward man (Eph. 2:10a).

I am a trichotomist when its comes to the human nature of man and I believe regeneration is the salvation of the human spirit, cleansing it from the defilement of Sin and making it the inner abode/temple of the indwelling Spirit of God from whence He progressively renews our mind to "put on" the new man in our conscious life for the glory of God. As we put on the new man in our affections and outward life (words, actions) we save our life for His glory and is the basis for receiving rewards later.

I do believe baptism is an imperative but not for our actual literal salvation. Like circucmision, it is an external "sign" and like any other commandment of God is to be obeyed but like circumcision is an outward "figure" (1 Pet. 3:21) rather than any necessary connection in obtaining literal salvation.

I hope we are agreed on baptism. Baptism has NOTHING to do with literal regeneration any more than circumcision had to do with literal salvation (Acts 15:1; Rom. 4:11).

 

I absolutely agree that the right emphasis on baptism is lacking today and it needs to be reemphasized. I believe John's baptism is "Christ-ian" baptism, is the baptism of the Great Commission and is the "counsel of God" and is rejected by most professing Christians today.