What is Scripture?

Try again, this time instead of a hit and run, try addressing the facts of the post. Does scripture indeed stand on its own authority, or does it require the validation of the Holy Spirit in one's heart. And if so, does that mean that those who do not agree with you have not been privileged with some second work of grace? This is an important question which you have not answered and speaks directly to the issue of the KJVO issue and the fundamentals of the faith.

 

Therefore no man can possibly have all knowledge including all of us. So you yourself cannot have all the answers as you claim so often. You have every right to disagree as anybody else does, but to claim that the spirit of God showed you and nobody else seems a bit far fetched.

Like one of my professors once said, "Just remember the Holy Spirit is no substitute for preparation.

 

I believe in MSS Ispiration or in other words we don't have a perfect copy of God's Word in English but we do in mss form. God has preserved His Word in all ages with the mss.

 

Well, young lady, granny never has seen a mss or can I speak or read Greek/Hebrew, or anything else mentioned on BB. All I've ever had all my life is that blessed ol'Book, called the Holy Bible. I was saved 50 years ago & it is still just as fresh now as it was back then. His Word is preserved perfectly in it and that is how I hear Him as to how He wants me to live/be, by reading it. God bless.

 

GrannyGumbo: "Well, young lady, granny never has seen
a mss or can I speak or read Greek/Hebrew, or anything
else mentioned on BB."

You also don't speak Latin so you don't recognize
that you just made a Argumentum ad Ignorantiam
that is, in English, an argument from ignorance.
In fact i know no clasic Greek, no Hebrew,
and not much 17th century English. But i do know
FROM READING THE real KJB, the KJV1611
that there are variations in the available source mss.

GrannyGumbo: "All I've ever had all my life is that
blessed ol'Book, called the Holy Bible."

This is an Argumentum ad Miscercordiam, an
appeal to pity.

Come on, Sister GrannyGumbo, this is a DEBATE forum, and
you don't know the first thing about debate.
Recommend you get back to the Felowship forums,
you shine as the morning star there.

But I love to praise Jesus in 17th Century talk:
Praise Iesus, Sonne of God

 

broEdEd...are you putting me out to pasture? True I don't know the first thing about debate, but I do try to defend when something needs it. Okay~I'll go mosey & chew the cud for awhile....

 

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Try again, this time instead of a hit and run, try addressing the facts of the post. Does scripture indeed stand on its own authority, or does it require the validation of the Holy Spirit in one's heart. And if so, does that mean that those who do not agree with you have not been privileged with some second work of grace? This is an important question which you have not answered and speaks directly to the issue of the KJVO issue and the fundamentals of the faith.
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Does scripture indeed stand on its own authority, or does it require the validation of the Holy Spirit in one's heart.
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I already gave you my answer (to which you ignored or don't understand) and to which you will find in the scriptures I gave.
I cannot teach you what is for the Holy Spirit of God to teach, to which only HE can. You require of me more than what I have already explained and understood, and have shared with you. Only the Lord can answer/reveal to you what it is you are asking of me.

John 16

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who do not agree with you have not been privileged with some second work of grace?
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This question doesn't make any sense to me. Can you please explain?


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Hi everybody, as you can see I have not been around for a while (probably to the happiness of many here

Off the subject a bit, I have been taking care of my father besides working full time. He was in the hospital for 6 weeks followed by another week. He had a gall-bladder go bad it almost killed him. He then bled-out due to blood thinner, they were using due to the infection causing clots, then he got pneumonia and a collapsed lung, besides all of the other things a 76 year old man can get. He was very healthy and active to this point and could even mow his yard. He had to go through physical therapy and lost weight down to 140 pounds. Then he got another infection due to the strong-antibiotics being used and was put back in the hospital for another week to kill it. Now, he has moved to an assisted living apartment just a few hundred yards from my work and loves it. . . his brother is there too and now he can walk again and even drive, but I ask for your prayers that he continues on the road to recovery. It wakes a person up to realize that just one little thing can cause a problem that can shake a family just out of the blue.

I know this is not the prayer site, but I print this here because most of my friends on this BBS hang out here and may not see it in the other subject line.

Getting back to the subject: Some things just never change, do they Dr. Bob?

Your questions are excellent and eye-opening.

In replying to many of the responses. I again ask the question: "If the 1611 version translators were inspired, reinspired or whatever, then why did they include the Apocrypha? . . . and NO it was not seperated in the original printings and marked that it wasn't inspired. It was simply between the OT and NT marked: "Apocrypha". I can provide a pdf picture for those who claim it was marked as being "non-scripture" in the 1611 printing.

 

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Therefore no man can possibly have all knowledge including all of us. So you yourself cannot have all the answers as you claim so often. You have every right to disagree as anybody else does, but to claim that the spirit of God showed you and nobody else seems a bit far fetched.

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I never claimed to have all knowledge, and would never even think of such a thing. Many know that God has given us his perfect words. It is known by many. We have heard his voice and follow. For Jesus said:

John 10

1. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6. This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7. Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9. I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12. But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13. The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14. I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15. As the Father knoweth me, even so I know the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

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27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30. I and my Father are one.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Which particular mss. are you referring to?

 

Surely you are not using this to indicate that the KJV is the ONLY gate?

I do not know anybody on this board who disagrees with the scripture you printed here, so what's the point you are making?

 

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Michelle, you again are treading on promoting the REINSPIRATION of the translators of the AV1611. That is an evil heresy that attacks the very core of inspiration and will not go uncondemned.
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Let us look at what the Lord has said to his faithful:

Psalms 12

1. Help, Lord; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.
2. They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
3. The Lord shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:
4. Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?
5. For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the Lord; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.
6. The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
8. The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.

Proverbs 30

1. The words of Agur the son of Jakeh, even the prophecy: the man spake unto Ithiel, even unto Ithiel and Ucal,
2. Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the understanding of a man.
3. I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.
4. Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
5. Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

John 5

37. And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
38. And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41. I receive not honour from men.


John 16

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle,

You have a tendandcy to post vast amounts of the Bible, but your vadt amounts of the Bible have nothing at all to do with this isue. None of those verses ever support the KJV or reinspiration.

Its always good to see the Word of God, but your misuse of it is a bit disconcerting.

 

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Well, young lady, granny never has seen a mss or can I speak or read Greek/Hebrew, or anything else mentioned on BB. All I've ever had all my life is that blessed ol'Book, called the Holy Bible. I was saved 50 years ago & it is still just as fresh now as it was back then. His Word is preserved perfectly in it and that is how I hear Him as to how He wants me to live/be, by reading it. God bless.
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Amen!!!!Sister Granny!

Finally someone who also understands. It's nice to see you here. You always brighten up my day. Thank you for sharing that very important truth. I love ya sis.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

This is great, now we have two people on the board who have a direct connection to the Holy Spirit, not just one. If you have a spiritual question, they can ask God for you and get a direct answer!

 

Nobody disagrees with the scripture, but again----what is your point?

 

Good application Dr Bob.

For Granny - 50 years from now there will be people saying your exact same words about the NKJV or some other version and rejoicing with the same sweetness and godliness that you do. Will that verify the usefulness of the NKJV?