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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Jun 26, 2020.

  1. Yeshua1

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    is the Gospel not Pauline Justification?
     
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    Mark 1:14-15. 'Now after John had been put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent and believe in the Gospel."'

    Don't set up a barrier between Paul and his Lord and Saviour. That is a terrible error.
     
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  3. Yeshua1

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    I just do not see the Gospel of the Kingdom being any different then what Paul and rest of the Apostles were teaching and writing!
     
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    the gospel of the kingdom, as it appears in the gospels, is the glad tidings that Jesus is the Messiah which is come to physically save Israel from its enemies, and spiritually of its sins, and to set-up an Israelitish and global geopolitical kingdom of righteousness and peace on the earth, on the condition that Israel repents...exactly like almost all the prophets prophesied and like all the disciples correctly expected.

    ...Aaaaaand of course Gentiles will often choke on that just like the Jews choke on Paul's gospel of justification by faith. Each nation has its pride-based blind spot: Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
     
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    It isn't. One Bible, one doctrine.
     
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    No. You have the tail wagging the dog.
     
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    The Gospel is how lost sinners are reconciled and justified back to God, is that not what is explained in Pauline Justification then?
     
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    Let me ask your question this way - Are the Gospels insufficient in expressing the gospel of Jesus Christ?

    My answer is they are sufficient and Christ expressed the gospel adequately. I see the Gospels as written for the world (that men may believe) while the Pauline epistles are written (by their own admission) to Christians who are already saved.
     
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    Jesus is the Gospel!
     
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    Why do you say that Jesus is the Gospel?

    I ask because that is not what is taught in the Gospels (the Four Gospels) or by Paul. Paul thought that the gospel was the news of what Jesus had accomplished (Paul says His death and resurrection). In the Four Gospels Jesus taught the same, but in the framework of the kingdom of God that is to come and is now.

    So I may agree with you depending on what you mean. But then it would not be relevant to the discussion at hand.

    Do you believe that the Gospel of John is a sufficient presentation of the gospel of Jesus Christ? What about Matthew, Mark, and Luke?
     
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    the Gospel itself is the very message of the Lord Jesus mission and work accomplished for our sakes, and think that the core/kernel message is explained in all of the Gospels, but that the Epistles flesh it out further for us!
     
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    So the gospel itself is not Jesus but the message about Jesus. I agree with that part.
     
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    That the resurrected Jesus Christ is coming to earth to rule and reign as promised in the "LORDS Prayer".
     
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    So is a future reigning here, and not a spiritual one now from above?
     
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    BOTH at the same time
     
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    the here, but not yet here?
     
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    the millennium
     
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    It's clear that the disciples are not preaching the death burial and resurrection prior to the death burial and resurrection.
     
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    The disciples are not preaching the same Gosepl as we understand after the Cross . Otherwise why is Peter trying to prevent the cross by slicing a man's ear off .
    Luke 18
    31¶Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
    32For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
    33And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
    34¶And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
    Notice they don't understand the death burial and resurrection. This is after they have been preaching the KINGDOM message .
     
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    Is he talking about the death , burial and resurrection here ?
     
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