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"God is unvarying, reliable, constant, and perpetual. God never adds or subtracts from His character and emotions. They are constant and unmoving. We should be forever grateful that God is immutable, as this provides an assurance of His love and mercy toward us."

The above snippet copied from the internet provides an excellent hypothesis for defining the immutability of God.

However, to move from being an understanding formulated by man, we must verify these attributes are found in scripture, rather than read into scripture.

Numbers 23:19 (NASB)
“God is not a man, that He would lie,
Nor a son of man, that He would change His mind;
Has He said, and will He not do it?
Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?

The above clearly teaches God keeps His word and does not vary, that we can rely on His word, and that God is consistent.

Hebrews13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, and forever.

Here we can add that God's character and attributes do not change over time, thus we can now support the attribute of being perpetual, thus God's attributes do not change over time. However, God does as He pleases, thus He can treat one person one way and treat another person another way or both people the same way. He can condemn one individual and bestow mercy upon another.

God dictates His actions, rather than His prior actions dictating His future actions, so He can formulate the Old Covenant and then inaugurate a New Covenant.

 

I missed where you supported your fiction, that God never changes "anything ever." That does not address the differences between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.

Please address the specific issue.

 

LOL, if in your view, God changed from the Old Covenant to the New Covenent, His action would not in your mind be consistent with "I change not" anything ever.

Will you say what God does not change other than His characteristics and attributes. I say He changes His actions based on fulfilling His purpose.

 

The issue is "in what way is Jesus the same?" Are you claiming Jesus was not always God? That this says the man Jesus did not change from being a baby to a full grown man?

Is not the Messiah, the Christ, they Anointed One unchanged, from that prophesied in the OT, then manifested in the gospels, and to what is still foretold for end times? The answer is yes!

 

My questions:
Are you claiming Jesus was not always God? That this says the man Jesus did not change from being a baby to a full grown man?
Your answer:
This is post a resurrection, and post a ascension, attribute about the Man Jesus Christ. But was always true about His deity.

So lets be clear, are you claiming the MAN, repeat Man, did not change? Is Jesus in His glorified body, apparently able to walk through locked doors, unchanged from the man who suffered and died for our sin?

What tells us that yesterday starts with His ascension?

 

The book of Hebrews lays out pretty clearly the differences between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant, thus God changed how people obtained approval through faith. Abraham trusted in God's promises, but to claim he believed Jesus would be raised from the grave has no basis in scripture. However to claim we are not told to believe Jesus was raised from the grave has no basis in scripture.

Immutability is an often mis-understood attribute of God, and I am trying to present the attribute as defined by scripture. See the last paragraphs of post #1.

 

Immutability doctrine must be based on actual specific descriptions of that doctrine. To base doctrine of speculation, i.e. what was said after His resurrection only applies to actions after His resurrection is without support. With regard to Hebrews 13:8,
we can say God's character and attributes do not change over time, thus we can now support the attribute of being perpetual, thus God's attributes do not change over time. However, God does as He pleases, thus He can treat one person one way and treat another person another way or both people the same way. He can condemn one individual and bestow mercy upon another.

God dictates His actions, rather than His prior actions dictating His future actions, so He can formulate the Old Covenant and then inaugurate a New Covenant.

 

MB's post #15 might have provided some insight or acknowledgement, but all I see is my quote from post #12.

Under the Old and New Covenant's the basis for obtaining approval is by God crediting our faith as righteousness, see Romans 4.

However, under both Covenants if we repent, change our behavior, God will relent, and change His response accordingly. To claim God does not formulate conditional arrangements with humanity is nonsense. Does Jonah ring a bell.

 

Sorry but no, God said he would overthrow the city, but relented (had compassion on) Nineveh. Thus God can change based on doing what suits his purpose.

We must formulate our doctrine of biblical teachings such that those understandings are consistent with all scripture. God does as He pleases, thus He can treat one person one way and treat another person another way or both people the same way. He can condemn one individual and bestow mercy upon another.

God dictates His actions, rather than His prior actions dictating His future actions, so He can formulate the Old Covenant and then inaugurate a New Covenant.