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What is true? Your theology?

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  1. TCGreek

    TCGreek New Member

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    I agree that truth is discernible in all four, but of course he would have clarified discerning truth in "our own experiences." Right?
     
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  2. reformedbeliever

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    Erickson's book is fantastic Tim! That was my textbook in my Christian doctrine class. But hold on to your horses Tim........... the author and the book is decidedly (sp?) Calvinist. :thumbs:
     
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  3. TCGreek

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    RB,

    A somewhat "modified" Calvinist. For example, Erickson's ordo salutis is different than say Berkhof.
     
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  4. Palatka51

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    Great points TC.
     
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  5. Palatka51

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    How do we have any clarification or discerning of truth in any of the 4?
     
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  6. Palatka51

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    I might also add science.

    However how does one find truth if these are in conflict with each other?

    I know that I must rely on the Holy Spirit and the Word of God for truth when the rest fail.
     
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  7. reformedbeliever

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    1. I agree, but why the difference since the Holy Spirit is our resident teacher? Is it because of our other teachers?

    2. Agreed. I hope my comments about our systems of belief did not lead you think that I do not agree with systems of theology.

    3. Most of us do TC, but some accuse us of preaching/teaching another Gospel. I think you and I agree in totality of what the Gospel is.
     
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    OH, I know.. I had taken the class three yrs ago, and loved it so much that when it came back around, I am taking it again.. along with 4 members from our church...

    Our State convention, WVBC, offers classes through the WV School of Christian Studies.. The pastoral tract is a 3 yr rotating schedule... with a few one day classes thrown in at Parchment Valley, Ripley, WV...

    I have 4 one day classes I have to make up, then I will get my certificate, which then will enable me to go to Palmer Seminary's WV Extension... I will probably start in 2009...

    Palmer has partnered with WVBC to provide Seminary to pastors who currently pastor...
    They are intense 1 week classes, every 6 weeks... with a lot of work between...

    Oh, welll.. that is my goal.
     
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  9. reformedbeliever

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    The scriptures are truth in the original autograph.

    God reveals truth in nature, but we turn that truth into something that is not the truth.

    Tradition is only as true as what truth came FROM God. Men's traditions are not necessarily true.

    Our own experiences may be true to us..... but again..... do our truths make God or does God's truth make us?
     
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    Sounds like you have enjoyed the classes as much as I have. :thumbs:
     
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  11. TCGreek

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    1. The difference, I believe, is because of human weaknesses and a constant reminder that we have not arrived---not until the Eschaton.

    2. Not at all! I was trying to give some more context to what you were saying.

    3. The accusations are unfortunate. Glad to have you on the same side. :thumbs:
     
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  12. pinoybaptist

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    Nope. all due respects to you, but would rather stay with the Word, and trust in the goodness and kindess of God.
    If I am wrong, He is right, and has already covered my error.
     
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  13. reformedbeliever

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    1. Amen to that. Lord help me in my weakness.

    2. I need all the context I can get! :thumbs:

    3. Praise God!
     
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  14. saturneptune

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    In Romans 1, where Paul describes how we have no excuse for knowing the Creator by observing the order of creation around us, do we get that truth from observing, or something God has put in our hearts?
     
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    I think it is something that all people observe and God has put it in our hearts. For example, our conscience is one thing that God has put in the hearts of all people. Even those who profess atheism have a conscience. As a matter of fact, when confronted with that conscience, and when asked where their morality came from, most don't have an answer.
     
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  16. Palatka51

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    The scriptures as primary
    Nature
    Tradition (things others have learned to be true)
    Our own experience
    I might also add science.

    Nature can teach us that the world around us is brutal and unforgiving. While God's Word tells us that God forgives sin and love us even tough we are sinners.
    Nature can also teach us that God fills all that is against us with hope for the future.
    How then do you find truth in nature only? You don't find truth in nature alone. You must let God's Spirit teach you out of His Word where truth is found in Nature.

    Tradition can teach us that Santa gives all children around the world Peace and gifts during one night of the year. While God's Word tells us that Christ is come to bring a variance between mother and daughter, father and son.
    Tradition can teach us that baptism ought to be the first act of a Christian. God's Word shows us why baptism is practiced.
    How then do you find truth in tradition only? Tradition can lead you into falsehood if you do not reconcile it with God's Word.

    My own experience has taught me to trust no one but myself. God's Word tells me to trust Him.
    My own experience tells me that I enjoy the fellowship of other believers. God's word tells me to forsake not that fellowship.
    How can Experience show truth when it can be quite confusing if I relied only on it? When a new experience is disconcerting I must go to God's Word where I can find everything that anyone has ever experienced and know that I too can find the truth.

    Science can be used to show that there is no god. God's Word tells us that only a fool will say that there is no God.
    Science can show us that all is working by a Grand design. God's Word tells us that the heavens declare His handiwork.
    How can Science lead us to truth when it is subjected to man's on preconceptions. Only God can reveal Himself when a man has put aside his own preconceptions and allows the Holy Spirit to guide him in the study of God's Holy Word.

    I tell you that the only source for verified Truth is the Holy Word of God. All other sources will fail me. God's Word will never fail me. Trust in it for Truth, Doctrine and Reproof.

    2 Timothy 3:16-17
    16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
     
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  17. pinoybaptist

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    I love to listen to them stutter and sputter and go ahem-ahem...:smilewinkgrin:
     
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  18. Palatka51

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    Amen RB, amen.
     
    #38 Palatka51, Jan 11, 2008
  19. reformedbeliever

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    We have an atheist who attends our bible study at times...... actually two of them. We have had some great conversations..... and I can see God working on their hearts. His Word will be effective ....... either to change their hearts by the Holy Spirit, or to make them doubly guilty.
     
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  20. TCGreek

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    Good question saturneptune.

    But I think we must differentiate what we learn via nature. Paul says what we learn from nature: God's eternal power and divine nature (Rom 1:20).

    Maybe someone else can add to this.
     
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