What is Your Cross?

You know these types of posts make me chuckle and then they really sadden me, because they are so many people that "say" the right words, but couldn't be so far from the actual Truth.

As HoG said you have mentioned some Truth in this post, but you have some GRAVE error as well.

I think it's better that you and the majority of Christendom thinks and teaches that 95% of the NT teaches about the simple message of grace through faith apart from works.

You know that's something I've never understood and nobody for "your" side has ever even attempted to answer and that is if Paul can put the message of salvation into two verses . . . believe and you will be saved . . . why do you folks think there needs to be 27 books of Scripture to explain a message that is so simple?

 

Satan even tried to get Jesus to do his will!

Unfortunately, Satan knows the Scriptures better than a lot of Christians.

He decieved Eve and he can deceive us - saved or not...

That is why we must always have on the "whole armor of God".

Someone once told me to put it on first thing in the morning.

I told them I never take it off...

 

Great response!!! :thumbs:

 

Great point!

Isn't that hard to roll over in bed with all that on :laugh:. Don't let the sword poke ya.

 

You don't need me to explain your beliefs to you. Goodness man you are knowledgeable enough to never have met me and still know what I truly believe and what is just a fake belief in my life. Surely you know what you believe then. :laugh:

 

How about let's make this a lot easier. Answer a few questions so that everyone will know what you believe and that will fix everything. If I have mischaracterized your beliefs then I will apologize.

1. How is a person eternally saved?
2. Is this salvation immediate or is this salvation a life-long process?
3. Can this salvation be lost because of ANY action/belief/lack of action/lack of belief on the part of the individual?

You answer those simple three questions and we'll all know where you stand, and once again if I have mischaracterized your belief system I will apologize. Fair enough?

 

H.P....

Of course it matters what we do or dont do. But it does not effect our eternal destination. That is secure, and becomes ours by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.

We ALL sell out Christ from time to time. Anytime we prove that we arent perfect like He was and fail him, we "sell Him out". It disapoints Him, but He keeps right on loving us and keeping us in His hands.

Christ...

"And no one can snatch them out of my hands", referring to us.

Nonsense. It is of great importance to us.

According to your theology than nobody will be saved and heaven will be empty of anyone but 3.

Christ...

"I have not come for the rightious, but for sinners."

Paul...

"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief"

Every last one of us contiunes to sin after we are born again. None of us...including you...ever become sinlessly perfect in this life.

Let me ask you a simple question, and I would like a clear, "yes" or "no" answer:

Have you ceased your sinning?

Yes or no.

Mike

 

So you want to play games. Sorry no time for that . All you have to do is answer three "simple" questions. If you don't want to do that, it's on you.

 

HP, FYI, OHM is JJump.

 

Yeah 'cause that was really hard to figure out.

Actually it's just two. FYI means for your information. As for my two names it's because I am using a different computer and I didn't remember what my login information was a couple of years ago, so I created a new account. And my second account is the only one I can remember .

By the way again I don't have time to play your games. People can go back and read your posts on this thread and see for themselves. You have an opportunity to set the record straight and you are choosing not to.

And another by the way you have mischaracterized my views in this thread as well, but I don't see you substantiating anything with what I have said. You have merely taken the liberty to say things about me that just aren't true.

So I'm wondering why I have to jump through hoops, but you don't. Hmmm . . .

 

Thank you for answering the questions and I think that it should be easy for all to see that you are espousing a works-based salvation.

The final judgment is a judgment of works not faith. Whether or not you are saved is determined before you die not after you die.

Once you die it will never be a question of whether your believed or not, but what did you do.

Only saved individuals will be at the JSOC and the judgment of Matthew 25. The eternally unsaved will be at the GWT judgment.

Eternal salvation is never portrayed in Scripture as a life-long process. It is a moment in time not a process. You believe (aorist [punctual action]) and you "will be" saved. Not might be, but will be.

Eph. 2:8-9 - says you "have been saved" over and done with.

And the "earnest" is not speaking to eternal salvation, because that is a finished event, completed in the past.

Your reliance is on yourself not on Christ. That is works based salvation.

So in closing I think you have proved what I said to be 100% accurate.

 

For your previous questions just look at the judgment passages.

The earnest is not for eternal slavation, but a hope of glory. We don't "hope" we are saved for eternity. We know that.

Glory is the only thing hoped for and that has to do with the kingdom.

Scripture never says saved unto a hope meaning that we have to wait for our eternal salvation. We are passed from death to life. That is not a hope that is a reality.

At best you are looking for a 50-50. I'll believe on Christ's works, but "I" always have to believe. You are relying on "you" never stopping to believe. Therefore the finished works of Christ are not good enough. You too have to be good enough to endure to the end. That's a reliance on self.