What is your view of death from Adam that all inherited

So calvinists view us born into seperation/estrangement away from God due to the fall of Adam, and us found in him and now spiritually dead in ourselves, while Non cals see it as being?

 

The absence of God causes all sorts of evil and death.

 

I don't know what the anti-cals think. They would have to speak up for themselves.

 

...and this would be yet another lie as I told you just this very thing the other day.

 

Exactly.

I made this argument several months ago, but Skandelon will not let himself see it.

 

How many people does the wind blow upon? Does the wind only blow upon certain elect persons, or does the wind blow upon all men?

 

I don't like labels because there is usually no one size fits all.

e.g. calvinists, there are the "Heinz 57" varieties of flavors, same with "arminians", "dispensationalists", etc.

So, I am neither C or A and in addition don't have an agenda for either.

So rather than label me for this question, please contemplate the question (dont have to actually answer it with a post either)

There is an account in the Bible where a man seeks after God, is rebuked, gets really angry and commits murder.

Later after another confrontation with God, he prays to God and God grants his prayer.

Cain.

Was Cain dead in trespasses and sins when he participated in a dialogue with God (who heard his prayer and answered it)?

Thanks
HankD

 

You are but one non-cal with one of many positions. Or do ALL the non-cals around here allow you to speak for them?

What say the rest of those holding a non-cal position, Van, MB, Winman, Quantum, and a host of others, does Webdog speak for you on issues of doctrine or does he speak only for himself?

Time to clear this up. And, if he does speak for you, that certainly makes it easier to know what you all believe.

 

Let's call it the way the Scriptures do... The Holy Spirit moves as He wills -- to whomever He wills, whenever He wills, and however He wills. No man can control His actions, movement, or effect.

Or do you somehow think that some man does control the Holy Spirit of God?

 

Post reported:

"Webdog called the statement a lie. He needs to be corrected not to use the word 'lie'."

 

Actually, it was stated the calling of others as "liars" should be avoided, but I know reading comprehension is sometimes overrated...

 

Nice backtrack from a deliberately false statement. You have heard from each one of us concerning this matter, its not up to us to keep playing your game.

 

Is there some reason we can't give the benefit of the doubt and say something like:

"I believe so-and-so is mistaken" or "I believe so-and-so is wrong".

Or even "you are wrong", why assume a lie?

HankD

 

The majority of the time you are right, but there are times when there are those who deliberately tell something false.

 

I called no one a liar. I did exactly as you and called a statement a lie.

 

The difference will be that I was formally reprimanded, while you webdog, will most likely not be.

It's your 'special status' here on the BB. You can make all the knee jerk inflammatory quips you want and remain unscathed. The rest of us (at least the DoGs) are not so privileged.

 

..and now you have been gifted with ESP, or have you hacked my account? You should see some of the trivial posts I've been "reprimanded" on, and the ugly PM's I've received from a certain administrator who sits on your side of the fence (the less hyper side). If you want to see "special status" look at Aaron's posting and how he is able to call out, attack and mock a moderator at will. Don't play the martyr.

 

I'm curious, have you received actual infractions or warnings by PM? Mine was minor (no points lost and gone in a week) and Skandelon was understanding and professional about it, I suppose he did what he thought he had to (I don't envy his position).

But as a paticipating moderator on the forum he should not have flipped you a thumbs up for yet another of your knee jerk inflammatory quips, especially in view of the fact EWF could have reported it as inflammatory and he would then have to deal with it on another level, and that after he has given his approval of the knee jerk inflammatory quip.

I suppose that Aaron and Skan and I have in common thick skins, and Skan could call Aaron down anytime he feels he needs to. I've actually taken no personal offense in any of this. I'm wanting these things to be brought out in the light for all to see. I believe it will ultimately be beneficial for all.

 

No back track at all. Each of you seem to have another point of view, something that has been emphasized of late, so I simply decided to say so. Let each speak for themselves, and I suspect that includes you pretending to speak for all the others...