What motivates you to serve the Lord?

I think this is where the law came into play. It showed us that we are incapable of obeying rules for the sake of obeying rules. Even if we keep all the rules, there will be sins of omission that we unintentionally commit. (But, those who do their best to keep the rules simply out of fear, are still keeping the rules as well as the rest of the people are.)

So, we are to live by faith. Living by faith doesn't do away with the moral law. You can't be a drunk, adulterer, etc., and live by faith. But, you behave out of love when you live by faith. Instead of living by "thou shall not"'s, you're living by "love the Lord" and "love your neighbor".

Living under the law will still get you an inheritance. This is pictured in the story surrounding Ishmael and Isaac. Ishmael is a son, but is a son under the law. He got an inheritance. But, it was a mere pittance compared to the inheritance that the son of faith received!

 

Which falls into the category of twist, distort, and lie.

I still stand by what I said about the content of the quote, but I apoligize for not reading the quote in the context in which it was said. The context shows that you don't believe it the way the words were stated, but were making a point about someone else.

 

Paul states that he is "under the LAW of Christ" (2Cor5) and John says that the one who "claims to know Christ" should WALK as Christ WALKED (1John 2) or they are lying about their current relationship with Christ.

Those who hear the warnings of God and obey are simply accepting the Word of God instead of "being the JUDGE of it" according to James.

Those who "pick and choose" which text they will allow are judging it.

in Christ,

Bob

 

In the "two oars used to steer the boat" example given numerous times on this thread it has been pointed out that "fear" is only one of the oars.

I the OSAS debunking thread a host of texts (warnings to Christians) were pointed out -

As in the case of the post above - these are are "details" that must be followed to carry the discussion forward.

in Christ,

Bob

 

here we see the reference to the blind appeal to promises of God AS IF GOD is locked in a box - must defend Israel no matter WHAT Jeremiah and others have warned to the contrary --

The dead appeal to this "God in a box" message comes from those who in Jer 6 are said to preach "peace and safety" to those being WARNED by God.

Jer 6
12"Their houses shall be turned over to others,
Their fields and their wives together;
For I will stretch out My hand
Against the inhabitants of the land," declares the LORD.
13"For from the least of them even to the greatest of them,
Everyone is greedy for gain,
And from the prophet even to the priest
Everyone deals falsely.
14"They have healed the brokenness of My people superficially,
Saying, 'Peace, peace,'
But there is no peace.

 

I'm not trying to be difficult or anything, but I am curious. What made you think you were going to hell in the first place that prompted you to seek a minister for answers?

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

I respectfully do not see any proclamation that they feel God is locked in a box and must defend them. I see that they were living in gross sins all week and then going to the temple to give God lip service at the appointed times. God warns them that He will destroy them just as He has destroyed others in their history if they do not repent of this. I don't see any plea to God that He must defend them no matter what.

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

That would be vs 4.

It is also what they tried in the days when Eli's sons tried that same trick with the Ark of the Lord.

Indeed but somehow they had it worked out that they would still get "heaven anyway' in terms of God blessing and protecting them.

Yep - but they bent that around and figured out a way to "ignore warnings" and so they preached "peace and safety" anyway when God said "there is no peace" and so God's Warning messages were being replaced by false "peace and safety messages".

Not unlike what we have today.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Is that all you knew of the bible, that some go to heaven and some to hell? You never heard that you must have faith in Jesus' shed blood (atoning work) at Calvary? Just curious.

i'm just thinking that there must have been more of God working in your life to draw you towards salvation then just the fear of hell. I could be wrong. I had an uncle who would not submit to Christ until he fell down a flight of stairs and almost died one day. But he heard and knew all about Christ and hell but just chose "when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee" as did Felix (Acts 24:25) .

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

Ok. I guess I don't see the "God must defend them part". I guess they were trusting that God would never leave them and God warned them that was not the case. It appears to me that they simply fell into the trappings of religilosity (sp) and was just giving God lip service while they indulged in their wickedness.

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

True - but their hope was "in the temple of the Lord" as if the fact that the one true Temple - the one where God placed His own name, the one He blessed and innaugurated in such ceremony and direct communication from God -- could never be turned over to pagans.

But God was about to do that very thing.

in Christ,

Bob

 

It took me awhile, but I can entertain your points about the passage.

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

My appologies brother. :tear:

I did not know I was offending you, I thought we were just having a conversation and I was just probing for understanding. Subject dropped. PLease forgive me.

God Bless!

 

When you accuse others of being "nasty" and "reviling" are you just talking about the fact that they accept some scriptures that you reject and so you don't like their POV??

An example would be this one posted here as a summary

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1067439&postcount=88


in Christ,

Bob