Featured What would your answer be...

I don't know if "obligated" is the right word, but God is the cause of Adam's fall, and thus I believe God's plan was to offer salvation in His plan which was formed before the foundation of the world. So in that sense, God obligated Himself to provide salvation.

Do we all deserve hell? Yes, but God has also implemented a plan for salvation before the foundation of the world.

 

My question is, Does God save, or does God just offer salvation?

 

Ephesians 2:8-9

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

 

Yesuha....

You posted...

No. God is not obgligated to save anyone, but God, in His great love, has made clear in the scriptures that He desires to save all, and that he, in wonderfull His grace, has given saving "Light" to every person who has walked the earth.

The "whosoever wills" will be saved, and the "whosoever wonts will not..

Praise God for His great provision.

 

is he under complusion to offer salvation to ALL sinners though? is it mandotory that Jesus death provoded for any and all to be able to get saved by him, or just limited to thsoe God intended his death for?

 

You should be used to this question by now AIC, so here goes...."if God desires to save all, why arent all saved?"

 

cal response " Sinners go to where they desire to go"

arm response"sinners go where they want to go"

Cal response" NONE can be saved unless God so Wills"

Arm response" None can be saved unless they so Will!"

 

Because God does not want ROBOTS who come to come to Him because they have been pre-programed to do so.

Its all through the scriptures. God giving His people choice.

In the garden Gods people had choice.

In the old covenant period Gods people had choice

And in our currant times Gods people have choice

Its always been that way.

 

God is not the cause of mans sin.God does not sin or cause it.God is Holy and cannot sin. Do not blame God for mans sin.

God has planned to accomplish salvation which he has done.

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

He actually obtained full redemption for an actual people He calls the elect.

 

Adam is responsible for his own sin, however, God set him up to fail. God knew Adam would choose sin if givin the opportunity, which God provided.

If TULIP is true, then it would prove to be so unnecessary for God to provide Adam a choice to sin. God could have avoided all the hell and damnation and just created mankind that would always obey and love Him, as TULIP declars God does now.

 

1] I am not sure you understand the doctrine that is known as tulip

2]

Does the bible say this? If not ,why do you?

3]

You keep making the same mistake...God does not do...IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY.....

aw pink

 

Yeshua...

You posted...

I dont think of it as "cumpulsion , but rather It is His HEARTS DESIRE for all to be saved. God says clearly...

In adition, read the prodigal son passages.

God gives saving Light to every person who comes into the world no exceptions. That covers those who have never heard. Those who HAVE yeard are saved via the gosple of course.

Have you read the Helen Keller book? She was blind and deaf from birth, but when the teacher fingered that she was going teach her about God, Helen fingered back...Good, I have been thinking about Him for a long time.

Praise God

 

Here you have to be careful for this happens alot in debate. We are speaking of theology and by the very nature thereof we have expressions of our own which we believe are based upon the way scripture reveals events or decrees to us.

I could say the same to you about "Total Depravity", Does the bible say this? If not ,why do you?

Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement and Iresistible Grace as well. You will not find these very words listed in the scriptures.

Would you agree that God knows all things from the end to the beginning? If so, then God knew very well that Adam and Eve would indeed eat of that tree when God placed it before them. It is God's plan and it is God alone who planned for Adam to fail and for Jesus Christ to be glorified through that failure.

 

What a typical harsh judgement from the 'Abracadabra Regeneration' crowd.

Sooo typical:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1869862#post1869862

 

Which simply means RELY on Christ. Standing on the promises of God.

 

Yes, a better description of what I was trying to say.... thanks brother

 

God desires that all would get saved, but provided for ONLY thsoe whom he chose inChrist to actual be abled to get saved!

His desire is general, His will in regards to thsoe whom are the Elect was specific and sure!

 

Some one posted "Believe on Christ" and Matt Black responded...

Meaning....believe on Christ!

It doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure that out.

Believe...on...Christ

Simply put your faith and trust in Him...and you are saved forever

 

Yeshua...You posted...

Well, you probably know that I consider that to be false doctrine.

God gives "oportunity" to every person who walks the earth. The "choosing" is for the lost person to repent and choose Christ/God, not God arbitrarilly choosing His pre-selected robots, as calvinism advocates.. .