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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Jun 8, 2023.

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    Van Well-Known Member
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    What does scripture actually say.

    1) Revelation 13:8 and 17:8 say those whose names were not found written in the book since the foundation of the world were thrown into the lake of fire. Accordingly, the names of those redeemed were written in the book since creation until the end of the age.

    2) Revelation 21:27 says only those who have been written in Lamb's book of life enter the New Jerusalem. Therefore the people existed before there names were written in the book. Again, this refers to the period since the foundation of the world to the end of the age, and precludes before the foundation of the world.

    3) Hebrews 12:22-23 say the spirits enrolled in the general assembly in New Jerusalem have been made perfect. Therefore, they were enrolled after they were placed in Christ were the redeemed are made perfect by the washing of regeneration.

    In summary under the New Covenant, names are written in the Lamb's book of life in the period since creation to the end of the age, but only after God puts them into Christ and makes them perfect. Thus our names are written only during our physical lifetime, after God has transferred us spiritually into Christ.
     
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    Tuesday, May 3, 3019 BC.
     
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    There are three references in regards to names being blotted out. Two, one in Exodus 32:33 and the other in Psalms 69:27-28. The third having the promise to never blot a name out, Revelation 3:5.
     
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    Names are never blotted out of the Lamb's book of Life. Full Stop
     
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    Psalms 69:27-28, ". . .Add iniquity to their iniquity, And may they not come into Your righteousness. May they be blotted out of the book of life
    And may they not be recorded with the righteous. . . ."
    Revelation 20:15, ". . . And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. . . ."
     
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    Why do we need to go over this again and again. You are citing Psalm 69:27-28 as if it referred to the Lamb's book of life! What is in view, however is the "Book of the Living" and thus to be blotted out would be to perish.

    Names are never blotted out of the Lamb's book of Life. Full Stop
     
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    Since the foundation of the world appears to me to be a well accepted mistranslation. I think the phrase should be rendered "since the subjugation of humanity" referring to when the consequences of Adam's volitional sin were first applied in Genesis 3:7.
     
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    Well, your repeated efforts to translate passages in a way that doesn’t support the text is prone to error.

    peace to you
     
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    Ever notice how naysayers know what is not so, but seem never to say what is so? There is a Greek word that actually means "foundation" but is not found in the oft mistranslated phrase.

    Names are never blotted out of the Lamb's book of Life. Full Stop

    Since the foundation of the world appears to me to be a well accepted mistranslation. I think the phrase should be rendered "since the subjugation of humanity" referring to when the consequences of Adam's volitional sin were first applied in Genesis 3:7.
     
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    Ever notice the scripture manipulators tend to add words found no where near the text, such as “since the subjugation of humanity”, and then mock those that dare to point out they are adding words to the text?

    They use the excuse “this is a mistranslation” as if that gives them credibility to rewrite the passage to fit their pre-conceived doctrines.

    I will bow out and leave this thread to the person who started it.

    peace to you
     
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    Lets see, no where near the text of Revelation 13:8 or 17:8

    Since the subjugation of humanity.

    Since = apo

    the subjugation = kataballo (throwing down)

    of humanity = kosmos
     
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    Without Biblical foundation.
     
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    Yes, that is your view. It is wrong.
    Once again a poor translation conflates the "Book of the Living" with the Lamb's book of life. Two different books.

    Here is a link:
    What is the Book of Life? | GotQuestions.org
     
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    They have no clue regarding the view I hold.

    I do not agree with them.
     
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    Yet another naysayer who knows what is not correct, but seems a tad shy about posting specifically what is correct. :)

    Once again a poor translation conflates the "Book of the Living" (cited by Mr. 37818 at Psalm 69:28) with the Lamb's book of life. Two different books.

    Here is a link:
    What is the Book of Life? | GotQuestions.org
     
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    Exodus 32:33 is first reference. Psalms 69:27-28 the second reference. Now it is understood names not in the book perish, Revelation 20:15. And the promise in Revelation 3:5 the overcomer's name will never be removed. How do little children who might die have their names in said book? Christ died for everyone, is why anyone's name is in the book. Your agreement is not require.
     
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    Names do not start in the Lamb's book of life, they are entered when God transfers the individual into Christ. So little children who die before their names are entered do not have their names in the book.
     
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    Well, so you must suppose something. You choose not to believe names can be blotted out for the non overcomer, Revelation 3:5.
     
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    I can read, and it says names will not be blotted out, not names will be blotted out. So Revelation 3:5 supports:

    Names are never blotted out of the Lamb's book of Life. Full Stop
     
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