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When does a person become SAVED?

Discussion in 'Polls Forum' started by Alcott, Oct 31, 2007.

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  1. asks Jesus to save him/her

    2 vote(s)
    9.5%
  2. confesses and repents of sins

    7 vote(s)
    33.3%
  3. is baptized

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. says “Jesus is my Lord”

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. confesses Jesus as Lord, repents, then immediately after baptism

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. is christened as a baby or a new church member

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. responds physically (as by walking forward) to an “invitation”

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. responds in faith to the gospel message in his/her own mind

    5 vote(s)
    23.8%
  9. Other

    6 vote(s)
    28.6%
  10. I don’t know

    1 vote(s)
    4.8%
  1. Alcott

    Alcott Well-Known Member

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    At what point does a person go from lost to saved? [or condemned to redeemed]? This is being discussed on The Sinner's Prayer thread in regard to that idea; which is a possibility, but I know there are other ideas.
     
  2. Ivon Denosovich

    Ivon Denosovich New Member

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    How could someone not vote for:

    :confused:
     
  3. Alcott

    Alcott Well-Known Member

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    I presume because some still have the idea that some action must be involved, not just mentally accepting the lordship of Jesus, and perhaps picking up on James 2, "Faith without works is dead."
     
  4. Alex Quackenbush

    Alex Quackenbush New Member

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    Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. First you believe and then you are saved.
     
  5. Alcott

    Alcott Well-Known Member

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    "First"..."then" . That's saying the events are not at the same time. So what if a sniper shoots the person dead who is 'between times' here?
     
  6. KenH

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    The moment that God gives him/her a new heart.
     
  7. Joe

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    yeah, kind of like the tin man
     
  8. Bro. James Reed

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    AMEN!!!!!!!

    Bro. Ken, You sure you're not a Primitive Baptist??? :thumbs:
     
  9. KenH

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    No, but I used to listen to a Primitive Baptist radio program years ago. :)
     
  10. KenH

    KenH Active Member

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    Ezekiel 36:26 (ESV)
    And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
     
  11. Joe

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    Just so you know, I agree with you Ken in what you meant by a new heart. :godisgood:
    Good answer
     
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  12. Alex Quackenbush

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    I understand the sniper analogy somewhat but I don't see it fitting well here. When the Scriptures say "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved" I note clearly that I am not saved until I believe.

    God reveals to us this reality in a chronology that places believing before being saved. You believe and then are saved. It is sequential. However, it is clear from Scripture that this chronological or sequential presentation of salvation is so that one understands that UNLESS they believe they are NOT saved or until you believe you are not saved.

    For me to state emphatically the exact time with respect to the unseen work of God and unrevealed in Scripture would be foolish. But to state that a person is saved BEFORE believing is to deny what this verse says quite clearly, and therein lies the biggest concern.

    So if you contend the exact moment one believes they are saved, I am satisfied with that as well. It is when a man or woman submits that it is before belief one is saved that I and this very Scripture, takes issue with.

    Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Simultaneously or humanly immeasurably one Divine moment after believing, one is saved, I accept but NEVER before believing.
     
  13. Andy T.

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    I almost voted for that, since it certainly is the best option listed. However, I don't think someone is saved by mere intellectual assent, so I stumbled over the word "mind". Romans 10:9-10. Therefore, I voted "other".
     
  14. Ivon Denosovich

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    Good call.
     
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