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Featured Where are Am. Jews on Iranian nukes?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by church mouse guy, Feb 11, 2015.

  1. OldRegular

    OldRegular Well-Known Member

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    Actually Iran don't need the ICBM's for Israel. They are for this country!

    The following may well explain the intent of Iran on getting a nuclear weapon:

    Imam Mahdi.. The 12th Imam

     
  2. poncho

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    Why was America so intent on getting nuclear weapons? Or China? Or Russia? Or Israel?
     
  3. church mouse guy

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    On Jan. 20, 2014, former IAEA Deputy Director General Olli Heinonen warned that Iran could build a nuclear weapon in 2-3 weeks. He also acknowledged that this estimate is based only on Iran's known capabilities — not on what Iran may be capable of doing, or may already have done in secret facilities. Iran has underground facilities suspected of being used for nuclear weapons development to which the IAEA has repeatedly been denied access.

    http://www.Newsmax.com/Headline/iran-nuclear-ready-missiles/2015/02/01/id/621982/#ixzz3ReYoGUkX
     
  4. kyredneck

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    "...The pro-sanction side had also been accused of having no faith in a negotiated solution and pushing the U.S. to the brink of war by sabotaging negotiations. While leading advocates like Kirk, Menendez and Democratic heavyweight Sen. Chuck Schumer refute those claims, others don't shy away from that characterization.

    Freshman Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Arkansas, a member of the intelligence and armed services committees, boldly stated this month that the goal of a sanctions bill was to kill the negotiations he believes are leading nowhere.

    "The end of these negotiations isn't an unintended consequence of congressional action. It is very much an intended consequence -- a feature, not a bug," Cotton said, calling for "immediate" and "crippling" sanctions.
    Why the Iran sanctions fight is a big deal

    So OR, is this how you think about it? If it was in your power to make the call would you scuttle the negotiations and cut to the quick even if it means an all out war?

    Considering:

    "...Obama also counters that If talks break down, he will swiftly impose new sanctions on Iran -- sanctions he could quickly get Congress to vote and pass. World leaders are also siding with Obama -- British Prime Minister David Cameron even pounded out phone calls to a slew of senators during his trip to Washington last week, in an unusual move from a foreign leader...."

    Why the hurry? What's the harm in not jeopardizing the negotiations for now and see what comes from it?
     
  5. kyredneck

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    Why the hurry? What's the harm in not jeopardizing the negotiations for now and see what comes from it?
     
  6. kyredneck

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    Compare with:

    Christian Zionism: The new heresy that sways America

    The Political Agenda of Christian Zionism

    "...7. Conclusions: The Political Implications of Christian Zionism

    We have seen how Christian Zionism as a movement has profound and deeply destructive political consequences. Christian Zionists have shown varying degrees of enthusiasm for implementing six basic theological convictions that arise from their literal and futurist reading of the Bible:

    1. The belief that the Jews remain God’s chosen people leads Christian Zionists to a justification for Israel’s military occupation of Palestine.

    2. As God’s chosen people, the final restoration of the Jews to Israel is therefore actively encouraged and facilitated through partnerships between Christian organisations and the Jewish Agency.

    3. Eretz Israel, as delineated in scripture, belongs exclusively to the Jewish people, therefore the land must be annexed and the settlements adopted and strengthened.

    4. Jerusalem is regarded as the eternal and exclusive capital of the Jews, and cannot be shared with the Palestinians. Therefore, strategically, Western governments are placed under pressure by Christian Zionists to relocate their embassies to Jerusalem and thereby recognise the fact.

    5. The Third Temple has yet to be built, the priesthood consecrated and sacrifices reinstituted. As dispensational Christian Zionists, in particular, believe this is prophesied, they offer varying degrees of support to the Jewish Temple Mount organisations committed to achieving it.

    6. Since Christian Zionists are convinced there will be an apocalyptic war between good and evil in the near future, there is no prospect for lasting peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, to advocate Israel compromise with Islam or coexist with Palestinians is to identify with those destined to oppose God and Israel in the imminent battle of Armageddon.

    Clearly, not all Christian Zionists embrace these views with the same degree of conviction or involvement. Nevertheless, it has been argued, the overall consequences of such uncritical support for the State of Israel, especially among Evangelicals, is inherently and pathologically destructive, not least to the very Jewish people they claim to love. At the first major international and ecumenical conference to examine this issue, held in Jerusalem in April this year, under the auspices of Sabeel, over 600 delegates affirmed a declaration which included the following. “We reject the heretical teachings of Christian Zionism that facilitate and support … a form of racial exclusivity and perpetual war rather than the gospel of universal love, redemption and reconciliation taught by Jesus Christ."
     
  7. kyredneck

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    OR, would you please explain to me why you would think that this Iranian Muslim garbage is any more nuttier OR DANGEROUS than the Christian Zionist garbage?
     
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  8. OldRegular

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    In my opinion you make a valid comparison. The difference is that Islam is a religion of death. Christianity is not! Those nuts believe the 12th Imam is hid in a well somewhere!
     
  9. kyredneck

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    Also I'm still curious if any of you frothing to kill Christian Zionists can give me an answer:

    Why the hurry? What's the harm in not jeopardizing the negotiations for now and see what comes from it?
     
  10. kyredneck

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    Correction. Christianity is not supposed to be a religion of death. The dispensationalists now morphed into Christian Zionists have apostatized it into a sect of war, doom, and gloom.
     
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    Why the hurry? What's the harm in not jeopardizing the negotiations for now and see what comes from it?
     
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    An essay could be written about all the 'anti-Christs' the dispies have dreamed up over the years.

    The Christian Zionists are going to be responsible for ushering in WW3. Why? Because they will never settle for any peace agreement in the ME, and they're in the position with the political clout (with Jewish Zionist financing) to do it.

    Hide & watch. Wait & see. Expand your 'victory gardens', grow lots of beans.
     
  13. OldRegular

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    Regardless of what you or anyone else says or believes Israel has atomic weapons. If pushed I am convinced they will use them. They have said as much. Iran lobs one against Israel then Iran goes to meet the 12th Imam in that well or hole in the ground. Whether China, Russia, or this country would get involved is unknown.

    Pakistan already has nuclear weapons. So far they are not controlled by Radical Islamists who would likely use the bomb. It is almost a certainty that the nutty Shiits in Iran would use the bomb.
     
  14. church mouse guy

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    I agree with 100%. I don't think that dispensationalism has much to do with this issue because I think that dispensationalism is fading as a doctrine that is peculiar to the USA (and not a part of the non-evangelical and fundamentalists theologies).
     
  15. The American Dream

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    From the title of the thread, it begs the question, what are American Jews doing on Iranian missles?
     
  16. OldRegular

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    What happened??????

     
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