Where are "the Arab Sakharovs and the Arab Ghandis".

They died with Sadat of Egypt and King Hussein of Jordan.

 

Islam and Democracy are idealogical opposites.

 

OR- "They died with Sadat of Egypt and King Hussein of Jordan" LE- "Twenty-two Arab countries and not a single democracy"

Those quotes are cogent!

When you examine history, the only democracies that ever went anywhere are those that were formed around a Christian world view.

 

Smart response Joseph! But I think Israel is an exception to almost every rule. They are God's chosen people, then and now, so they are an exception. Perhaps, I should have said Biblical world view. Yea, that is what I should have said. Keeping me on my toes!

 

No not a supremecist state. But the race is unique in that they are God's choosen People. No other state can boast of that.

In the sense you are speaking we are a secular democracy also. But our worldview has been Biblical since the founding fathers. Isreal is imbued with this Biblical world view in the same sense. Even if their Government insist on a secular view as our's increasingly does now. Historically the seeds of all successful democracies are found in God's word. Even if you are only operating on half the bood as the Jews are.

 

No I don't think they are superior, just special.

If they had not had a Biblical world view, you would not have the old or new testament. They have a lot of abberent beliefs in a lot of sects, but the same is true of Christianity. Yet they still have the old testament. They wrote it. I don't think the average Jew is into the Kabballah, do you? They have engaged in heresies all through there history, yet God says a mother can forget about the baby suckeling at her breast before He could forget about Isreal. He says he has written her name on his right hand. That puts them in an exceptional posisition. So it think we can say that different rules apply to there survival as a nation and democracy.

 

I don't have any stats that says that the average jew is not into Kaballah, but I doubt it. The average Jew is not conservative is he? Aren't the conservatives a minority? None the less they still have the Old Testament and it is still the center of their world view? That makes a difference in my estimation. I take it you do not see the modern state of Isreal as a prophetic fulfilment. And perhaps not as God's choosen people.

I don't think different rules apply to their salvation, but it sure does to their survival as a nation. No other Nation has had its survival gauranteed by God in the Bible. Wouldn't you say that constitutes a special set of rules? What about the miracle of their reconstitution as a nation and their subsequent survival till this day? We see a different set of rules at play every day they remain in that Nation. What a miracle!

 

The WERE God's chosen people, chosen for the purpose of bringing Jesus Christ into the world. They have fulfilled that purpose.

 

So why has God gone through all the trouble of bringing them back to Isreal? Is it just a coincidence that they just happened to arrive back in Isreal just in time for the last days, for Jesus's return to the mt. of Olives? Is this just an incredable coincidence or is it something more sinister? Why did God perserve them as a distinct people through all their wonderings? Why dose He insist he can never forget them?