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Where Did the Universe Come From?

Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by Phillip Diller, Jul 3, 2020.

  1. Phillip Diller

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    Many unproven theories have been advanced by secular scientists to explain the origin of our universe, and yet those same scientists sometimes have to ignore well established facts of physics in pursuit of the unknown. Why, for example, do they ignore the laws of gas dynamics in order to explain star formation? If gas particles in a vacuum repel one another, seeking equilibrium, how can you ever get a self-gravitational body of hydrogen with the mass and density necessary to start and maintain nuclear reactions? According to evolutionists, the first generation of stars had to be non-metallic because the Big Bang could not account for any elements heavier than lithium. So far as I know no such stars have ever been detected. If they have all died out without leaving a trace, how do we know that they ever really existed?

    Martin Harwit, an American astronomer and for eight years the director of the National Air and Space Museum, once said, "The silent embarrassment of modern astrophysics is that we do not know how even a single one of these stars managed to form". It has been said that gas particles in a vacuum repel each other with a force 100 times greater than the mutual gravitational attraction. And even if the supernova explosion of a star could condense a cloud of hydrogen gas into a self-gravitational body - which is highly doubtful since an expanding shell from a supernova would be more likely to scatter gas clouds than compress them, you still have to explain where the first star came from. Thoughts?

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    God spoke the universe into being - the stars and all else in it. Genesis 1

    Also, there is Hebrews 11:3 = "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so what is seen was not made out of what was visible."

    It's not rocket science. It's faith.
     
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  3. Phillip Diller

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    Phillip: Amen. I could not agree more. Ironically, I have known a man for about 50 years who is a believer and a rocket scientist (literally!!) but when I try to talk to him about Creationism he will not speak to me. I don't question his faith in Christ, but I don't understand how you can believe the resurrection, but not the Creation. It takes no more faith to believe one than the other. Thanks for your comments.

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    So, first generation stars cannot be accounted for by the Big Bang Theory, but what about other concepts? The Steady State Theory seems to have fallen out of favor, since no one can demonstrate that mass/energy can be lost and somehow miraculously be replicated somewhere else. And the claim that matter and energy is eternal has no basis in empirical science, and flies in the face of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. No evidence exists that the universe is cyclical or that there are multiple universes. The idea that the universe began because of a fluctuation in a quantum vacuum doesn't explain where the energy came from that created the matter.

    Since there is no scientific explanation for the origin of the universe that makes any sense, is it irrational to believe in a supernatural Creator, or is that the only rational position to take. Actually, there is no more reasonable position, either scientifically or spiritually. "In the beginning God..."

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    The universe is a mathematical concept created as literal in the minds of humans.

    At least until they hit a road block that renders what they know about the universe useless. Even a photograph is still a photograph. We can imagine what is declared in this photo as anything.
     
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    John 1:1-3
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
     
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    God spoke, and BANG!!! It happened
     
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    God created out of nothing?
     
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    Phillip: You've probably heard the joke about the scientist, arrogant about his great scientific knowledge, who challenged God to a "man-making" contest. He reached down and scooped up a handful of dirt to prove he could create life, when God interrupted and said "Go get your own dirt"! Scientists are not unbiased observers, and sometimes let their opinions become facts. If scientific consensus established truth the Earth would be flat and the Sun would revolve around it. The truth is what it is, whether we like it or not. And Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life". When science contradicts the clear teaching of the Word of God, science is wrong!

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    This is the level below heaven and this level is flat and the sun revolves above it.
     
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