Where is Hell? Part II

What verse?

 

There is no evidence that "destroy" means "annihilation." In fact it doesn't here. It means eternal torment. One of the definitions given is "perish." They will perish forever in Hell. They will suffer the torments of Hell forever. It is an eternal "destruction" in that respect. The body will never die, just as the body of the rich man never died in the story of the rich man and Lazarus.
DHK </font>[/QUOTE]Prove from Scripture that the wicked receive immortality.

 

Rev.20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
--Please note here that both the beast and the false prophet are actual people. The beast is a figurative word to describe the anti-christ, who will be a man that will be a leader of the world. He will, nevertheless be a man. People have speculated throughout the ages that this man could have been: Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Gorbachev, Clinton, etc. He will be a one-world dictator.
The false prophet will be a man, the leader of a one-world religion. Perhaps the pope, as many think. Some think he will be the leader of Islam, and others a Charismatic interdenominationalist. Whatever the case he will be a man. These two individuals are human. And the Bible clearly says that these two “mortals” will “be tormented day and night forever and ever” They cannot do that without an immortal body.

Following that we have the scene of the Great White Throne Judgement, which is also the time of the Second resurrection, or the resurrection of the unjust.

Rev.20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
--There is a first resurrection. Blessed are those who take part in the first resurrection. It takes place before the Tribulation even starts. There is a second resurrection. It takes place after the thousand years is finished. Verse 5 says “the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.” That is when the Second resurrection will take place. That is when the Great White Throne Judgement will take place—described just a few verses later in verses 11-15.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
--In verse 12, John says, “I saw the dead.” It was not spirits that he saw, it was the spiritually dead (those without Christ) in Heaven standing before God. The only way that they could be transported from earth to Heaven is to be resurrected in a body that would be immortal. That is what the resurrection is. They receive their immortal bodies then, at the resurrection. They stand before God at the Great White Throne Judgement.
They are judged. And then.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
---What is implied in this verse is the same punishment that is specifically described in verse 10—and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.
DHK [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]It would take me DAYS to go point by point to clear up all of that. There is so much falsehood in that, that my mind is reeling.

The Anti-Christ is NOT one man.

If he is, explain this:
1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
And this:
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
And this:
2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

And the beast, if he is just ONE man explain this:
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

One of his heads: the 7 heads. Only one is wounded.
Woman- a church
Seven heads and ten horns- how could a man have that?
Seven heads ARE seven mountains- know of any city that sits on 7 mountains?
Woman sits on them- the church sits on the 7 hills.
Seven Kings- how could this be just ONE man? It said 5 had ALREADY fallen at THAT time. That one IS right then, and only one was to come. Followed by the 'beast that was, is not, and is OF the 7', so he actually isn't another one, he is one of the old ones.
Ten Horns are ten Kings- again how can a man have ten kings on his head?
The Waters WHERE the Whore sits are people, etc. This church sits in the midst of many people of different languages and cultures.
The Ten Horns/ Kings, will hate the church and make it desolate and burn it with fire.
The Woman is THAT great city that reigneth over the kings of the earth. The Church reigns over the kings. John spoke of this 'woman' as THAT city, like he knew which one. He said the church REIGNS. Note that it didn't say WILL reign. It was there in the time of John. It is the city that reigned then. It reigns now.

Note: The 'woman' is in control of the 'beast' which is evident by the symbolism of her 'riding' the beast.

Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

 

Do you honestly think that it is MEN who control governments?

 

What's wrong? You can't answer a simple question?

 

You have a funny theology.

Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The earth won't even be around. It will be destroyed. This entire scene is in Heaven. These that are judged are cast into the lake of fire. It obviously isn't on the earth; at this point there isn't one. Verse 11 says that heaven and earth "have fled away." "There was found no place for them." There is no earth at this time.

Rev. 21 and 22 speak of a new heaven and a new earth which God promised to create. </font>[/QUOTE]Makes a hard case to explain this part though huh?
"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."

Again, Revelation is not chronological.

How do YOU know that the judgment scene takes place in HEAVEN?

Let's see. We have the Holy City coming down. And the wicked dead raised to bring up one last front against that Holy City. When the wicked and the devil and all the wicked angels surround the Holy City, FIRE comes DOWN out of heaven and consumes them.

So, either the fire is not really coming from heaven, and the Holy City didn't really come down to earth, and well, the dead didn't really get raised to attack the city, or YOU are wrong.

Question? Your assumption that the judgment is in heaven DOES NOT work with this passage. If we go according to YOUR logic, BOTH the earth AND heaven have fled.

"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them."

The lake of fire is the fire that God calls down from heaven. The wicked are resurrected, and judged and then they revolt and attack and fire comes down and devours them. ON EARTH. Where they were resurrected. Where the devil was for a thousand years. Where the Holy City came down.

Then, it says: Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

THAT is the broad plain.

Revelations is NOT chronological. Get past that. Case and point:

In chapter 14 it says that Babylon is already fallen, but the 7 plagues do not come until chapter 16. Also in 14 is the 2nd coming, and the 'winepress' event. Where all the living wicked are killed. That COULDN'T work in chronological order, or else WHO would be feeling the plagues if everyone is dead?

It isn't chronological. John received the prophecies in little bits and pieces. The book as a whole must be looked at, along with the rest of the Bible, seeing as how over half of Revelation is quites from other books of the Bible.

Reading one verse and building a doctrine on it, gets you only one thing. A FALSE doctrine. Just like the Daniel 70th week thing. One verse and 2 guys have sold 10,000,000,000 copies.

God Bless.

 

That's right! Blame it all on Ellen White, the Biblical contortionist!

Here you go again. Dance dance dance.

When you run out of legitimate argument you attack.


Ignorance should be painful.