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I would say he just thoroughly exposed your own hypocrises and you don't like to be exposed for what you really are and so you do what every politician does - attack the one who exposes you!!! What hypocrisy!

 

Another accusation! Why do you keep accusing people of things they do not do? I only showed you the things you accused another poster of, and you remain in a state of denial.

 

Every time you used the word "you" in your former post you accused me of something. So it is a post of one accusation after another. It is calling the kettle black as they say. Please don't talk to me about accusations. Look well into your own life. I believe you need to take into account the evidence that has been posted on this thread and repent.

However this thread has gotten off topic.
Go back to the OP

Perhaps your posts are a good example of the depravity of man.
Anyway, let's stick to the OP, and get back to it.
A good verse to start with is Jer.13:23

Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

 

I'll come back to this verse in a minute.

This passage has nothing to do with the depravity of man, but with rich man, and their difficulty of entering into heaven. Your off topic.

A false accusations. If you continue this way I will start giving you infractions or ask another moderator to intervene.

Another personal attack. It would deserve another infraction. You are not dealing with subject matter. You are attacking me personally.

Now back to Jeremiah 13:23
Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

The verse makes three statements: all rhetorical, all with the same conclusion.
1. Can the Ethiopian change his skin?
The Ethiopian was born with black skin. He cannot change it to white skin no matter how hard he tries. He has become accustomed to it. That is his nature.

2. Can the leopard change its spot. The leopard was born with spots. He cannot change his spots to stripes no matter how hard he tries. He becomes accustomed to his stripes. That is his nature.

3. Then may ye do good that are accustomed to doing evil.
Is it possible for you to do good, who were born doing evil, have been accustomed to doing evil from birth; it is your nature to do evil, just as it is the nature for the leopard to have spots and the Ethiopian to have black skin--and both are accustomed to it.

You can't get around the teaching of this verse. This teaches the depravity of man so strongly it cannot be refuted.

 

I suppose it is not about all leopards either? I suppose it is not about all Ethiopians either? Your rationale simply fails to harmonize with the text. But you do don't care what God's Word says about anything that contradicts you do you??:laugh:

If you are going to apply Michael Jackson to get around this text then it would have to be what is NOT THE NORM unless you don't believe he was born black????

I suppose there are leopards that are anomolies also. But it is obvious to any HONEST interpreter of the text that the writer is speaking of what is THE RULE not the rare exception. Christ would be a rare exception to this rule.

The very tactics you employ to pervert, distort and deny the plain Word of God are not only shameful but are directly from the arsenal of those who repudiate the Word of God

 

No, it has nothing to do with the depravity of man; it has to do with riches.
The apostles were amazed at the teaching of Jesus, and in their astonishment asked a rhetorical question, "Who, then, can be saved?" A question does not constitute doctrine. It was a question, and that is all. Where do you get dogmatic doctrine from a question asked out of amazement?

You said:
"Your false teachers have indoctrinated you."

You said that to me. It is insulting, a personal attack, a false accusation, an ugly carnal comment, dirty filth that is coming out of a heart that I would consider unsaved if I didn't know better. Don't you post things like that to me when you don't know where I have been taught, what teachers I have sat under, what schools I have gone to, how many years I have been in the ministry, how many years I have been teaching others, etc.

You go right now to the bathroom and wash your mouth out with soap!
It needs it. You don't need to be so insulting.
I didn't have false teachers. And then you have the prideful audacity to say it is not a false accusation. What is wrong with you??

It appears to me that the one that has swallowed the heresy of Pelagianism hook, line and sinker is the one that has been indoctrinated by those teaching heresy. For that is a heresy and has been considered heresy by orthodox Christianity throughout all centuries ever since the apostles.

You are not able to focus. I was not the subject under scrutiny. As I said: You are unable to deal with subject matter; you only attack the person.

Did Michael Jackson live in the times of Jeremiah. Did Michael Jackson by the power of his mind, will his skin to be changed?

Yes the verse applies to everyone. Everyone is born a sinner and sinners are depraved, accustomed to doing evil. Sinners sin. They sin because they are sinners. Adulterers commit adultery because they are adulterers. Thieves steal because they are thieves. Liars lie because they are liars. Sinners sin because they are sinners. We all are born sinners, and so we sin. We are accustomed to it.

I haven't seen a refutation, but I have seen some remarks that have been spoken out of a wicked heart. And yet you claim to be sinless! Have you been to confession lately?

 

Moriah,
Why is it that you are alone in this thread as being right and everyone else is wrong? Why is it that everyone is judging you alone? Do you believe the other ten posters in this thread set up a conference call to start a conspiracy against you?

 

The text says NOTHING about what God is able to do but about the CONDITION of man! The condition of man FROM BIRTH is doing evil just as the CONDITION of the leopard and Ethiopian fro birth is their skin.

You simply READ INTO this text what the text does not even consider, speak of, or state! It is not about God's power but about man's natural condition from birth. It is not about God's power but about the Leopards skin from birth. It is not about God's power but about the Ethiopian's skin from birth. Get it???:BangHead:

 

Every person is a sinner. Every sinner is accustomed to doing evil.
Every leopard has spots. Every leopard is accustomed to his spots.
Every Ethiopian has black skin. Every Ethiopian is accustomed to his black skin.

Why do you want to reject such obvious truth.

 

For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

It is about all. All are accustomed to doing evil. All are sinners. All sinners are accustomed to doing evil for all are sinners. You are denying this Scriptural truth here for you are blinded by your pre-conceived theology of Pelagianism which has been considered as heresy from the times of the apostles onward. Man is born with a sin nature just as leopards are born with spots and Ethiopians are born with black skin. The teaching is clear.