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Where Would Unbaptized babies And Adults Go per RCC?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Yeshua1, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    if say infant passed away before having their original sin washed away in the sacrament of water, per the RCC?
     
  2. Wittenberger

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    I'm not Roman Catholic, but we Lutherans, who on this issue are almost identical to the RCC, would say that the child of Christian parents would be saved/go to heaven if he dies before the opportunity to be baptized. We believe this because of the promise given in Acts 2:38-39.

    When it comes to the children of unbelievers our answer is: we don't know. We leave their fate in the hands of a merciful but just God.

    I would be surprised if Catholics believe any differently. (Maybe they would send the baby to Purgatory for a few years of punishment for original sin, but I doubt it.) Lutherans do not believe in Purgatory, thank the Lord!

    For more info on the Lutheran perspective go to: http://www.lutherwasnotbornagain.com
     
  3. DHK

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    I believe the RCC has a special place called "Limbo."
     
  4. Walter

    Walter Active Member
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    No, it was theological speculation at best. There was no official teaching that 'Limbo' existed.
     
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    Ever here of the concept of "Limbo"? Not the dance! LOL
     
  6. Yeshua1

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    wasn't it officially held and taught, just as Purgatory was though?
     
  7. Yeshua1

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    Do you hold to that because the parents were in the "Community of faith?"

    What promise was in Acts towards kids?

    is water baptism necessary in order to be saved, do you see it as say Church of christ, completing the salvation process?
     
  8. Walter

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    I was told it was not. I will look into it more.
     
  9. Yeshua1

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    Could have been more emphasised time ago, as don't think the RCC really holds to purgatory as much, do they now a day?
     
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    I haven't found any evidence that it was ever thought of as anything but theological speculation. I have heard people say that nuns taught it as a fact in some Catholic schools. Not even all sisters were properly catechised in times past. Some nuns teach some pretty bizarre stuff now. But then, that seems to be going on in most christian circles anymore. The present pope is doing plenty to purge the Church of the liberal nonsense that crept into the seminaries, Catholic universities and some Religious orders.

    As far as Purgatory, I don't know that it is being de-emphasised. It is a dogma of the Church and thus cannot change. There are others on this board that know much more about the faith than I do. For me, I'm just in the process of converting and still have many questions. My own postion on Purgatory is what difference does it make? If I die and find myself in Purgatory I will be happy because it means I'm saved and no matter how long I have to spend in that state I know my ultimate destination will be Heaven.
     
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    Since a RCC baptism is a totally meaningless act, what difference does it make?
     
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    Why would you look forward to this?
    http://vivacatholic.wordpress.com/2010/04/11/augustine-on-purgatory/


    Why would anyone look forward to something not taught in the Bible. The Scripture used is taken out of context and used to mean something not taught in the Bible.


     
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    The same reason a person hits himself with a hammer, because it feels so good when he stops.
     
  14. billwald

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    >Since a RCC baptism is a totally meaningless act, what difference does it make?

    If by "meaning" you are referring to a spiritual event then Baptist baptism is also a meaningless event. Both are Christian rituals.
     
  15. Melanie

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    It is interesting that there are so MANY questions concerning Roman Catholicism on the BB currently.

    By posting anything in defence of the RCC is like putting a direction finder :tonofbricks:eek:n your chest for attack, may I humbly suggest if you are actually interested in finding a Catholic perspective, there are many RCC forums where a learned answer can be sought.:1_grouphug:
     
  16. Walter

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    Good suggestion, Melanie. I have been doing just that of late because I want to get the ACTUAL position of the Catholic Church instead of Protestant assumptions and misrepresentations. Fulton Sheen once said: 'There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church.'

    Although I believe that some of those 1oo people who truly hate the Catholic Church are posting on this board.
     
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    problem is that the RCC views their beliefs/practices thru first and foremost their traditions and being 'real church", and the bible itself used secondary sense to support them!
     
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    he means that there is NO sacramental grace in it! baptists saved first by grace of god, then baptized, catholics baptized irn order to be saved!
     
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