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Which biblical laws must a Christian obey to be right with God?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Alcott, Apr 23, 2004.

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  1. The whole law—every “jot and tittle”

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  2. None-- other than believing in Jesus Christ

    5.4%
  3. Only the “moral” laws

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  4. Only laws stated in the New Testament

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  5. All biblical laws except those of governing an ancient nation and OT sacrifices

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  6. Only the Ten Commandments

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  7. The Ten Commandments + laws unique to operating a New Testament church

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  8. Only the biblical laws which take our modern scientific knowledge into account

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  9. All New Testament laws excepting the use of miraculous gifts

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  10. Only the New Testament epistles

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  11. All New Testament laws with the words of Jesus taking precedence over any apparent conflict

    5.4%
  12. All New Testament laws except those specifically directed at a specific person or persons at that ti

    2.7%
  13. All laws except those that are entirely <i>ceremonial</i> for the nation of Israel

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  14. All New Testament laws + the Old Testament instructions of the poetic books (Psalms, Proverbs, Eccle

    16.2%
  15. Only the 2 commandments of “Love the Lord with your whole being” and “Love your neighbor as yourself

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  16. All biblical laws with <i>preponderance</i> by number of passages taking precedence in any apparent

    5.4%
  17. I don’t know

    18.9%
  18. None of these state my answer as I would—I will state it myself in a post in this thread

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  1. HankD

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    Matthew 13
    27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
    28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
    29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
    30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
     
  2. Hamtramck_Mike

    Hamtramck_Mike New Member

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    Amen HankD, Amen!

    It has been said that when we get to Heaven, we will look around and notice 2 things: some that we thought would be there for sure will be absent, and some that we wrote off long ago as hell bound will be there rejoicing right along with us!
     
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    See 1 John chapter 3.
     
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    2 Corinthians 5:17 - 19
    No Biblical law can ever make me right with God. Jesus Christ is all my righteousness. Before and after Christ, if I trust in my obedience to any part of Biblical Law as the reason for my being accepted in the beloved, then I have no idea at all of what my salvation is all about.

    Obedience to the law is evidence of a gracious life, not the cause of my being right with God.
     
  5. Alcott

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    No Biblical law can ever make me right with God. Jesus Christ is all my righteousness.

    So, obeying "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ..." [Acts 16:31] does not make you 'right with God?' You need not obey a biblical command lest you trust in such obedience for justification?
     
  6. Dr. Bob

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    We are made "right with God" 100% by the work of Jesus Christ.

    Both "Repenting" and "Believing" are the natural outflow of a heart that has been so regenerated.

    But the "right with God" action was all done by God. Not much (as in NOTHING) that a DEAD person can do!
     
  7. freakpastor

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    You should want to obey the word. Must is different. We in sinful natural bodies are inclined to sin. But will we harbor that sin and make it a lifestyle? If so, are we REALLY saved? :confused:
     
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    Jesus made it clear that the commandments we are to adhere to are:

    Love the Lord with all that is within you.
    Love your neighbor as you love yourself.

    Everything we do must be out of obedience to these, which are out of love for the Lord.
     
  10. Johnv

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    Certainly, but we must still "get right with God" by having a relationship with Him. A relationship with one's earthly father requires work. So does having a relationship with our heavenly father (mind you, that's a different issue than salvation, which is what I believe you were referring to).
     
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    In keeping with the analogy of our natural fathers and our relationship, comparing the two to our heavenly Father and our relationship.

    Do we 'work' at the relationship to be closer because we are His children, or do we 'work' at the relationship to be closer in order to become His children.

    In the answer to this will be found the motive of the heart, there is no denial of that eternal relationship simply because we are made to 'work' toward being drawn closer to Him; however, there is no eternal decree that mandates my working to establish or otherwise draw closer in that relationship that declares me a child of His, unless my relationship is founded upon my works and if by works, then grace is no more grace.

    All is of grace. Even looking to my faith to prove my relationship is placing that faith between me and the righteousness of God. Otherwise, I will stand before God some day and declare I am here only because I placed "my" faith in your only begotten Son, therefore, I am.

    We will be gathered in eternity for the eternal praise of the glory of His grace and not one will find the source of his/her standing in that number to be traced back to a choice he/she has placed in the promises of God. But in eternity our righteousness will be fully realized in the righteousness of God and its source in eternity will be found at the throne of God. Or else we shall be distributed bulletins dividing our time between praising the Lamb of God and testifying of 'our' [my] operation of [faith] in Him, thereby, making Christ the object of that faith, but making that faith to be our [my] personal savior, thus, making a closer personal relationship with God through Christ meaningless because it is pursued through the ability of myself to engage a 'greater' faith than another and to strive to increase that faith.

    The apostles asked the Lord to increase their faith.

    Bro. Dallas [​IMG]
     
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    To me being right with God means I have been saved by Jesus and given His righteousness. I can never be right by following O.T. Laws, but only throught Jesus. If I need to follow O.T. Laws to be right with God, then there is no grace,and I will never be right with God.
     
  13. Johnv

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    We work at a relationship with him because we are his children (just like I work at a relationship with my mother because she's my mother). The latter, becoming his children, is a non-issue. Depending on one's doctrinal view, some will say that those who are saved are already his children. Others will say that all people, saved or unsaved, are his children. Either way, it's a non-issue, because, for the believer, we're already his children.
     
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    So you need NOT obey Acts 16:31, since it is not obedience but something we absolutely cannot control? Bringing the gospel to the unsaved can neither help nor hinder them from believing it? Basically, extreme predestination; therefore the scriptures are useless to accomplish anything.
     
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