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Which denoms are Christian enough for the Other Christian Denominations forum?

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by mioque, Dec 18, 2004.

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  1. Latin Rite Catholicism (Roman Catholicism)

    63.0%
  2. Eastern Rite Catholicism (Byzantine Catholicism)

    1.4%
  3. Eastern-Orthodoxy (for example Greek-Orthodox)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Oriental Orthodoxy (for example Ethiopian-Orthodox)

    9.6%
  5. Messianic Jews

    6.8%
  6. Methodism

    2.7%
  7. Calvinism (Reformed churches)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. The Pentecostal movement

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Lutheranism

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Seven Day Adventism

    4.1%
  11. Mormonism

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. Jehovah's Witnesses

    12.3%
  13. Anglicanism

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. DHK

    DHK <b>Moderator</b>

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    Are you sure about that?
    What in that website do you find deceitful, misleading, or misinformed concerning the Oneness Pentecostals?
    DHK
     
  2. MEE

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    Are you sure about that?

    DHK
    </font>[/QUOTE]Absolutely postive!!!! :D

    Night all! [​IMG]

    MEE [​IMG]
     
  3. DHK

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    You failed to answer the most important part of the question MEE. Can you give an answer to it.
    DHK
     
  4. richard n koustas

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    I also grew up with the KJV. I have tried other versions over the years. I like NASB and the Darby translations. I think there is something lost in the newer translations. 4 Example: I just listened to the book of Leviticus (NIV) and I did not hear the words 'tabernacle' or 'veil' :eek: . Maybe I'm not used to it, but it just isn't the same...

    Also, some verses really stand out in the KJV like: ...Lord, by this time he stinketh... :D John 11:39
     
  5. richard n koustas

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    ooppsss, wrong thread...
     
  6. Johnv

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    It's okay.

    Just to see " ...Lord, by this time he stinketh..." (John 11:39) was worth the mis-post. [​IMG]
     
  7. MEE

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    You failed to answer the most important part of the question MEE. Can you give an answer to it.
    DHK
    </font>[/QUOTE]Can I give an answer to it?...Yep..all of it! Any website that goes against what the Apostles taught is deceitful!

    I will call this making a long story short.

    DHK, it's not fair for you to use links and I have to watch you tear into the Oneness of God, while using them. ...and YOU know it! [​IMG]

    MEE [​IMG]
     
  8. mioque

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    Bob Ryan
    ""I guess it is in the eye of the beholder" as to whether you "notice" the RCC twisting things around in the dark ages or not."
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    We are talking about now on this board and not about your dark ages.

    "However I think your point that it is the point in time that the group arises (Roman Catholics in the 4th century - JWs in the 19th) accounts "somewhat" for acceptance vs rejection."
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    That's indeed my point. One correction, the proper date of the origin of the RCC is the year 1054.

    JamesRay
    "Messianic Jews Believe in Scripture Alone and Salvation by Faith in Jesus.and the believe in the Trinity. Now"
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    Not all of them do, it's a small and very divided group.
     
  9. mioque

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    James
    "Christianity is a "catch-all" word used to describe anyone who claims to follow Christ-- in any way, shape, form or fashion. This would indicate to most who are seeking truth that there surely must be those who could be deemed "pseudo", that is to say "false" in terms of whom they are, in fact following.
    How does one decide? Go to the Book of Books. Oops--if we do that we eliminate a sizeable portion of those called Christian, because they do not regard the Word of God as the only rule of faith and practice. They regard "tradition" as being of equal, and in practice, superior authority to scripture.
    If we throw out this group, West and East, "
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    We have just cleared away 70+% of all of christianity.

    " what becomes of their daughters which sprang up in places like Canterbury, Wittenburg, Zurich, Paris, and others? Would not the daughters be without authority as well?"
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    Absolutely there goes the other 30%

    "What happened to the assembly that Jesus is building--the one which will survive the gates of hell? She is still out there--Jesus said He would never leave Her nor forsake Her--She is His Bride."
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    That group that in the way you define it only exists in your imagination?

    Your denominational standards for true Christian church apparently are.
    1.That denomination must still exist and it either must have existed continuously since the earliest days of Christianity, or be a direct descendant of earlier denoms that must have existed continuously since the earliest days of Christianity.
    2. It and it's potential predecessors were never a part of the RCC, Eastern-Orthodoxy or the pre-schism (of 1054) Catholic Church that became those 2 churches.
    3. Sola Scriptura.
    Nothing like that out there.
     
  10. mioque

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    Dale
    On those Lutherans
    "They ARE young earth creationists."
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    Most Lutherans worldwide certainly aren't.
     
  11. Bro. James

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    "Nothing like that out there"--MIOQUE

    Only among the "heretics".

    I know of at least one--would you like the grid coordinates of the meeting house?

    There are 25-30 of us who meet regularly to worship, pray and spread the Good News. We know of others like us in many parts of the world--Mt. 28:20.

    We exercise executive authority from Jesus--through the Scripture Only. We answer to no earthly spiritual power. We trace our faith and practice to: Mt. 16:18, Eph. 3:21 and Jude 3.

    Therefore: Rome and her daughters must not be 100% of all the Christians. There are some(a remnant) out there who have not been defiled.

    The scripture says they are there--why have many not found them? Perhaps there is no diligent searching. Most of us are happy with the "status quo".

    Selah,

    Bro. James

    [ December 30, 2004, 10:28 AM: Message edited by: Bro. James ]
     
  12. mioque

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    James
    "Only among the "heretics"."
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    A great variety of those, sadly no group of them has ever been documented living up to your standards.
     
  13. Bro. James

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    Book of Revelation.(The Unveiling--of The Bride.

    Selah,

    Bro. James
     
  14. mioque

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    A classic example of wrong exegesis.
     
  15. DHK

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    MEE,
    Oneness Theology wasn't around when in the Apostolic age. The Oneness people don't teach what the Apostles teach, contrary to your thinking. Thus your statement:
    is deceitful in itself. Your doctrine wasn't even taught until well after the 20th century.
    To prove my point MEE, I will challenge you (as I have before). Demonstrate to me that you can show how to be saved, i.e. the way of salvation, using only the Book of Romans. Almost any Baptist on this forum can do so. Why can't you? The Apostle Paul wrote the Book of Romans precisely to explain in detail the doctrine of salvation. If there is any book in the Bible where the plan of salvation is to be found it would be in Romans. Please demonstrate your knowledge of the plan of salvation using the Book of Romans only.
    DHK
     
  16. DHK

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    MEE's last post was almost a week ago (Dec. 29). She has no answer to this simple question. Why must the Oneness Pentecostal confine themself to just the Book of Acts when presenting the gospel? Why, even Philip led the Ethiopian Eunuch to the Lord using the Book of Isaiah. But MEE can't find the gospel in the Book of Romans. Why is that?

    Marcia has already alluded to the reason, and believes that Oneness Pentecostal shouldn't be allowed to post on this board. Perhaps MEE should give a reason why she should by answering the above question, and demonstrating that the gospel is found in more than the Book of Acts. If it isn't, then even the Apostles aren't saved! :rolleyes:
    DHK
     
  17. Plain Old Bill

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    JW's and Mormons are cultic and not Christian.
     
  18. MEE

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    DHK, evidently you think that the book of Romans holds to another gospel than the book of the Acts. Why is that? You can't have it both ways. There is only ONE gospel, which is referred to in many books of the Bible.

    As far as Marcia believing that I shouldn't be allowed to post, well I don't think that is up to her. Now if you want to remove my name because I believe in "One God" and that Jesus Christ is that "One God" in the flesh, then do it!

    One thing about it, YOU can't say that I believe in three gods..and I never will!

    Some may think that I'm angry...no I'm not! Just tired of being made fun of (in former post by you DHK) and what I believe is of another source rather than of God.


    MEE [​IMG]
     
  19. GrannyGumbo

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    Hey MEE! I love you and I'm still praying for understanding as to what you and my son holds to so that I may help him(especially). He doesn't come around quite as much as he once did, but it could be the "emotionalism" is finally dying down and/or he sees the serious error of his ways.

    I've never heard him speak in tongues...and I think it was that one time only that got him into the Oneness belief. I think in his heart, he knows he's caught-up into something that's not right, but he's either too scared to let go, or knows what he's lost because of it & therefore, too ashamed.

    I asked him the other day, "Son, you know we don't worship 3 gods or a 3-headed god, don't you? He looked at me strangely. I then reminded him of how he used to pray 'before' running with these "Apostolics". It wasn't to either of those. It was to the One True God, Who is THE Father, THE Son, and THE Holy Ghost. Three Persons, One God. (The Same God but in three different persons.)

    The Father is called a person in Heb 1:3; the Son is called a person in 2 Cor 2:10; and the Holy Spirit has many personality traits. There are several places where each is called God(NOT Jesus), and many where LORD is their name...yet "they" are all "ONE". I can't explain it, nor can I explain electricity, but it don't stop me from turning on the lightswitch.

    I asked him if tongues is so important (even his wife & her mother told me unless I've spoken in tongues, I won't get to Heaven!) anyway, if they are in fact of God, then why are so many churches split, homes split, friends split, and many of those who "talk" left empty, depressed & oppressed in their minds after their experience? (I can see this evident in my son's life).

    Also, why is it so many of those who did "speak", still live like the devil (there is no fruit for their salvation); well, how is it God gives the same experience to both the saved & the unsaved?

    Salvation is by faith ONLY (Jesus alone, nothing else)...not water baptism, or speaking in tongues...not works...(but works WILL follow, so will baptism, as this is fruit).

    I fully believe satan will use the tongues' movement to bring about the end-time church, as well as the different bible versions out there...and of course, "another Jesus".

    "Dost thou believe on the Son of God?"

    "That all men should honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son, honoureth not the Father which hath sent him."

    "And I(Jesus) will pray the Father(God), and he shall give you another Comforter(Holy Ghost), that he may abide with you forever."

    "But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. I am come IN MY FATHER'S NAME, and ye receive me not; if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive."(anti-christ)

    "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is an antichrist, that denieth the Father AND the Son."

    "For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."
     
  20. MEE

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    When God answers your prayer Granny, then you will see why your son and I love the Lord the way we do. [​IMG] ...then you will see that Patrick doesn't need help.

    BTW, I still think you are one sweet lady!

    Hey, if you have Oneness' e-mail address, would you mind sending it by PM? ...that is if you don't think that he would mind. [​IMG]

    MEE [​IMG]
     
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