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Which Party's policys are likely to increase the number of abortions?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Matt Black, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. Andy T.

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    Poverty and how to alleviate it are complex issues - way too complex for the shallow thinking expressed in the OP. But I do have one simple solution to the abortion issue: Adoption.
     
  2. Andy T.

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    By the way, I never said this, so I call strawman. Like I said, it is complex, and I don't buy into the faulty assumption that the gov't is our only answer. Or even the primary answer.
     
  3. Zaac

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    Correct again Matt. we failed and aren't doing nearly what we should be doing to correct it. God gave us ground and like in so many areas, we ceded it to the government.

    The country is where it is because the Church continues to do things its way instead of God's way. Perhaps there are too many goats in the "Church house" running what the sheep should be running.
     
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    I'd like to comment on your post but I'm not understanding what you are asking. I think you are saying:

    If poor married people cannot afford an extra child, the likelihood of more abortions increases, esp. if Republicans cut government welfare benefits. Is that your hypothesis? If it is, what is your question?
     
  5. Matt Black

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    Not so much a question than a point: that it's not just Democrats and their policies which have the potential to increase the number of abortions carried out in the US.

    All of that's been tried before - and failed. And, again, it amounts to punishing the child for the sins of the parents - fatally, in the case of abortion. So the premise isn't as faulty as you'd like it to be...

    Plus, what do you mean by 'community'? The county? The state?
     
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    I mention widows, orphans specifically because we have a Biblical directive to tend to them. That is not a straw man. It is an attempt to recognize our repsonsibilities and the Churches ineffectiveness in dealing with them so the Government doesn't have to.

    I agree with you that poverty and dealing with poverty is a very complex issue. Government isn't the only alternative and I never said it was.
     
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    Adoption by whom? When the members of the Church are having abortions too, it kinda cuts out a large chunk of folks who will adopt.

    Again, abortion is thriving because folks "in the Church" are helping it to thrive.

    As goes the Church, so goes the country and the world.
     
  8. Andy T.

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    There are plenty of people out there willing to adopt. Matt, by community - i mean local - the people whom you live by.

    Sorry, I don't buy the OP's premise that the gov't is the only (or even best) solution to poverty.
     
  9. Matt Black

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    I'm not saying it is, either. But equally I'm saying that it is part of the solution.
     
  10. Matt Black

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    The government did not step in to take care of people in need because the church failed. I am not sure where that ignorant argument ever came from but it is far from the truth. The government got involved because of the Marxist movement around the world and the indoctrination of our colleges. It is an anti-God movement that lefty Christians have bought into hook, line, and sinker. and it has nothing to do with what the church has or has not done.
     
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    So the churches were doing a great job, were they?
     
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    There is no cause and effect going on here. And there is not enough tax money in the world to solve that problem. We need real solutions not government control.
     
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    It's not an 'either/or' zero-sum game, surely?
     
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