Which Version Do You Preach From?

So, let me get this straight. If somebody uses the KJV for study, then they are not a reputable scholar? What a Christian attitude you have jaigner!

 

What a rambling mess!

Now, I don't rail against learning. I rail against the attitude that the scholars are the ones to whom we must look for guidance on all things. If the scholars say to use this bible, we must use it.

There is a difference between learning and being a scholar. The people I know who know the most about the bible are not scholars. They are people who have dedicated their lives to studying God's word and preaching it to His people. Jesus wasn't a scholar. He had never been to a single religous school. Rather, He was the author of scripture. He sent the Holy Ghost to bring His apostles into all truth. They then taught other men, who taught other men. Only one preacher in the NT was a scholar, and he refused to rely on his scholarship to preach God's word.

I don't give two hoots for what some scholar says. I care about what the bible says.

 

AMEN! :applause:

 

What I found rather humorous is the fact that the KJV is commonly said to be too hard to understand because of it's archaic language, but yet it's the dumb ol' country preachers that use it mostly. The "scholars" have rejected it. Maybe they can't understand it? :laugh:

 

If it wasn't for "scholars" you wouldn't have a KJV (nor medicines, nor electricity or even a car, for that matter). Fact is time moves on, language changes, knowledge increases, and new Bible translations are needed. That was the case in 1604, and that is the case now.

 

You've got it backwards, as usual, in an attempt to make me look like a jerk.

Good scholars don't use the KJV for anything other than reference anymore because, for the most part, it's not as accurate.

And the best evangelical scholars are faithful men and women who have given their lives in the study of language, history and theology in order to be a faithful steward of God's Word.

 

Very well said. Good job.

It's more likely that the KJV is all they've ever used and, often, don't realize the kinds of errors they make from blatant and obvious misinterpretation of the antiquated text. I've also known and sat under a number of people that believed the KJV was the only good English translation because, well, some other preacher told them.

I agree with you on many counts. The best expositors of the Bible I've ever known have been well-informed and well-trained pastors who have a heart for the proclamation of God's Word.

But a lot of these people are first-rate scholars in their own right, or have been trained by great linguists, historians and theologians.

Without the benefit of good Christian scholarship, we wouldn't be able to interpret nearly as well.

 

No, without the Holy Spirit we wouldn't be able to interpret nearly as well.

Here's the question I've asked people concerning the idea that the KJV uses an antiquated text that isn't as accurate. How do you know? How do you know what was originally written? People ramble on about the originals yet those scholars you hold in such high regard have exactly the same idea what the originals actually contained as I do. That's because neither they nor I have ever seen a single original copy of scripture. You are trusting people who are merely giving your their opinion. You are perfectly free to do that, but their opinion on what something said that they never saw is equivalent to mine.

 

I'm withholding judgment until I read it (NIV2011) through for myself. Until then the ESV will continue to be my choice.

 

I'm not a preacher and I don't pretend to be an excellent biblical scholar. I'm a classical musician, music teacher, and have a masters in theology. But I have done a lot of listening and reading and I'm familiar with the most trusted evangelical scholars.

So no, I'm not blowing my own horn, and I'm not calling anyone stupid, but if they were more informed, they would likely choose another translation for their primary reading, studying and preaching text.

 

Of course the Holy Spirit is the key illuminating and interpreting agent, but good scholarship has to be done so that we have the most information, unless the Spirit magically blesses us with that information without studying language, history, theology, etc.

Intentionally limiting our information is limiting the Holy Spirit, as well.

 

I actually think there will be a wider acceptance of the new NIV than the TNIV. MUCH wider, actually.

 

So you spend time trying to teach people who speak english naturally and who have a choice of hundreds of english translations to speak Greek so they can read a smattering of Greek NT manuscripts? And you call me a fool? De-volution of intelligence? I think you mind need to look in the mirror, pal.