Who and What?

Ultimately, it's talking about Jesus. This doesn't preclude there being more primary meanings (I think I've heard that it referred to the Persian king who would return the Jews from exile).

 

My understanding is that this verse is a dual prophecy.

First, it is a reference to Christ in his advent. "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:"

Second, it is areference to Christ in His millenial Kingdom. "and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

Hope this helps.

 

It refers to Jesus.:thumbsup:

 

Based on my understanding of the Scripture, the cited verse is referring to our Lord YHWH, the Son of the invisible God (name unknown), who was sent into this world, made flesh and became known as Jesus Christ. The God the whole earth SHALL he be called.

But that is just my understanding. :thumbs:

God Bless

 

The Birth of Christ

 

I see it in

 

Interesting, gekko...very good points. Thanks!

 

The intrinsic truth of what you are stating is analogously there but not specifically the intent. The analogy however does show (interestingly enough) the fullness of Christ or as scripture states - in whom dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

So, though it is a direct reference to Christ alone in His Future Kingdom, this Kingship Rule is established and maitained in the Godhead (Trinity) you mention and therefore absolute in its rule and rulership. In other words Heaven on earth - Immanuel [God with us]

Thanks that was quiet interesting! :wavey:

 

I agree that if you look carefully you see it in the O.T. But you don't get the clear "in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit" that you find in Matt 28.

The emphasis in the OT is on the ONE God of Deut 6

 

Once you know the answer (John 14 and Counsellor as The Holy Spirit) for example -- you can go back and read it into the puzzle to see the picture. But that is reading Isaiah 9 through the lense of John 14.

In Isaiah we see the promised birth of a child - a promised child. Do we think that God the Father was also incarnated or do we think it was just God the Son? It is the Son.

So it would be hard to claim that all 3 were going to leave Heaven and be incarnated on earth in the form of the Messiah don't you agree.

In Christ,

Bob

 

What about the the following........

"Wonderful"

"mighty God"

I believe you're waaayy off, my friend. Following your logic,, it couldn't have been describing the "trinity" since you left out the two attributes above.... :laugh:

Just my observation...

 

In the Greek it is actually "Wonderful Counsilor" not "Wonderful, Counsilor".