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Discussion in 'Other Discussions' started by Salty, Nov 23, 2022 at 7:09 PM.

  1. Salty

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    In another thread - it was stated:
    So who exactly decides if a word is acceptable or not.

    Normally the news media - will use the term "Native American" Yet the Oneida Indian Nation - prefers "Indian".
    But the CEO of the ONI, Ray- is the one who put up a big stink about the Washington Redskins - and thus the team changed their name.
    Many will use the term "G@y" over "Hom0se/ual" as well other terms - which I type - would get me in troubled

    Same with a certain race - the current term is "African-American" I will not use that term - as I agree with
    Teddy Roosevelt" There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he he is an American, but
    something else also, isnt't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag...We have
    room for but on language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people"--there is no room in this country for hyphenated

    “There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism

    NY City has laws about using the title as requested by every individual - ie Mr. Miss, Mrs, (and about 20 other "gender id's"

    Those who see no problem with abortions - want to be called "pro-choice" -instead of Pro-abortion.

    We are told that the words "mentality retarded" is no longer acceptable. Actually - that term replaced "Idiot". The big problem expanded when some used the phrase "retard" as a way to be offensive.

    and ect, ect, ect.....

    So who should decide what words are acceptable or not.
     
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    Probably the target of the word.
     
  3. Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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    God decides what words are acceptable or not.

    He has made clear that cursing and vain speech is not something he wants. At the same time we have dozens of examples of God's people using extremely strong language from Elijah mocking pagan's and their god to Jesus calling people a bunch of hypocrites flat to their face. And let's not forget John the Baptist talking to Herod. Clearly God likes and approves of His people calling out sin in His name.

    This should tell us that speech that accurately describes someone, and their sin, is always acceptable, despite current Evangelical Zeitgeist where the 11th Commandment is the Commandment of "Thou Shalt Be Nice!".

    We are commanded to love. Not to be nice. And love is not being nice all the time.
     
  4. JonC

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    I'm not sure.

    We are commanded to be kind, to live in peace with all men, and to be careful not to offend people.

    That said, it appears that people ate offended by our faith. But I guess that's something different.
     
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    Yes, but if what is offending people is our declaration of truth about sin, as we are ordered by God to do, then I think it falls into the pleasing men vs pleasing God.
     
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    We are not called to declare sin (to the world) but the gospel. Scripture tells us men know they sin...and life tells us this as well (even the atheist knows he falls short of his idea of righteousness).

    I don't think God would command us to be kind, to act in a gentle manner, to live in peace with all men, and not to give offense if He did not mean it.

    The issue is Christians often are less discriminate than they should be about where they cast their pearls.
     
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    It is the goal of the radical left to sow chaos in the country. What better way than to pervert the language to the point words mean whatever you want them to, which is just another way of saying words have no real meaning at all.

    Marriage means whatever you want. “Equity” means grooming your children for sexual exploitation. “Merit” means discrimination. Math means white supremacy.

    Just look at how this administration has turned definitions around. A “recession” used to have a clear meaning… two quarters of negative growth. But it’s an election year so redefine it. Claim the border is “secure”, despite 5 million illegals in 18 months that are caught plus hundreds of thousands never encountered.

    “Nonconformity” speech is “violence” and violence is free speech.

    Total chaos when words have no meaning.

    peace to you
     
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    [​IMG]Does 1984 come to mind?
     
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    So we don't preach against sin?
     
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    Preaching sin is a necessary element of preaching The Gospel.
     
  11. JonC

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    We do against sin in our congregations, if applicable. Too often it seems congregations love hearing sermons about sin in the world but shrink back when sons in the congregation are addressed.

    Scripture tells us that we are not to judge those outside of the church. That is not our duty as believers. Scripture tells us we are not to judge other congregations (again, that is not our duty).

    We are to judge within our church.

    The reason many want sermons about sins in the world or in other churches is that they are cowards, too cowardly to address sins in their church and their family and their hearts.
     
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    Odd. It isn't in Scripture. It was not how the Apostles shared the gospel. In the Bible sin may be mentioned, but it was not preached in evangelism.
     
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    Actual word usage and how common it's usage becomes drives it's meaning. And if that usage becomes implying or imputing evil in some way it may become unacceptable.
     
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    That is just not true. Jesus prayed for forgiveness for those crucifying him. When Peter preached on Pentecost, he accused those listening of that very sin. We don’t have all he preached, but we do know that a key part of it was his calling that generation corrupt. Sin is front and center in his preaching.

    From Acts 2:

    23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.

    36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

    40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”​
     
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  15. JonC

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    I agree with your comments but not your conclusion.

    Consider that I did NOT say we don't mention sin or even address sin when preaching the gospel.

    I said the gospel does not preach sin.

    Jesus did tell us that we are sinners. But we want to actually preach about these sins instead of sharing the gospel.

    What do we need to provide as contest? Simply that we have all sinned (giving personal examples is good here) and because of this we die. But we can be reborn, that even though we die yet shall we live.

    Then share the gospel.
     
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    Jesus definitely taught repentance from sin. If one does not know that "the wages of sin is death," What do they need salvation from. If one does not know theuly are a sinner, why would they conclude they need a Savior? A Savior from what?

    I figured that is the response I would hear on here. Macarthur has been railing about this for some time now. You must preach sin to preach the Gospel.
     
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    If you do not mention the fact that people sin and they have to repent of that sin what do you say to them?
     
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    Church discipline is essential. Most Churches miserably fail at it.
     
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    You do mention the fact that people sin, and that the consequences of sin is death. You point out that if a man be on Christ, even though he will die yet shall he live (you don't word it that way but you communicate it to them).

    Note that I never said we don't mention sin, or explain the consequences of sin. That was where Reynolds took it. We do provide a context for the gospel, which includes sin.

    I said we are not called to preach sin to the world.

    What I see way to much is Christians reveling in hate. They hate the people who sin (most of the time who live in sins they themselves never committed). They will say "hate the sin, not the sinner" (Scripture never divorces the sin from the sinner, BTW) but in practice they simply hate people.

    This is evident in those who would delight in the murders at the LGBTQ club.

    It is evident in many conversations here. Would you attend a gay wedding? Well, would you attend a wedding between a Christian woman and a non-Christian man? Personally, I would not desire to attend either.
     
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    Do you not find it interesting that the Bible tells us, tells us directly, NOT to preach sin to the World (to those "outside the church")?

    We do provide a context. It is important to explain sin and its consequences. It is important to expound on the fact that those of us who are "in Christ", though we will die yet shall we live.

    But this is preaching the gospel, not sin.
     
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