Who has not failed?

I agree with you on this.

 

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. ~Rom 3:23-26

Let us walk worthily in Thanksgiving to this Grace which we have not merited.

 

This is happening in Reformed circles. People are being taught intellectualism rather than a coming to faith. It's very dangerous obviously. Infact it is just as bad as the Roman Catholic method of going through the motions and all will be ok. Which is ironic, and fitting when you think about it.

 

It is a "better question" for discussion among the "saved" because it is asking what the saved are supposed to be doing.

if the intent is to engage the lost in what they should do - well then I agree mine is not "a better question".

Indeed that too is a great question given that Romans 8:5-8 declares that only the lost are doomed to sinning.

That is exactly the problem Paul admitted to having in Romans 7 before he applied the Romans 8 solution - which released him from slavery to sinning - as Romans 6 demands.

in Christ,

Bob

 

James 4:17 "to the one that knows to do right - and does it not - to him it is sin"

John 16 the "Spirit (of truth) convicts the WORLD of sin and righteousness and judgment".

As Christ said also in John 16 "I have many more things to teach you but you cannot bear them now"

 

Are you claiming that you don't sin? Or can't? I believe it's impossible to "confess" each and every sin we commit DAILY. There is no way to remember them all. God's standard is PERFECTION! You ever have ANY day where you met that standard?

 

Yes that is true.
I started knowing that person the day that I was saved. And nothing can separate me from his love, or that relationship. (Rom.8:38,39)

 

Many people read various parts of the Bible and then decide for whatever reason "that does not mean me".

The disciples did it when it came to loving their neighbor in Lev 19:18 vs loving the Samaritans.

But in the end - God addresses those issues with each one of us via His Holy Spirit - "convicting the WORLD of sin and righteousness and judgment".

Catholics who persecuted protestants would often claim they felt "blessed by God" for doing so.

in John 16 Christ ALSO said that people would persecute the saints "thinking they do God a service". Saul did that - before becoming Paul.

in Christ,

Bob

 

As the Catholics read the commandment against the worship of images and then suppose that because their images are not gods - but merely represent the one true God -- they are not in violation of the very commandment they are reading.

As the Catholics read the Isaiah 8:19-20 command against praying to the dead and against man-made tradition that is not judged "sola scriptura" - and yet suppose reasons to themselves as to why their own practice might not be a violation of that scripture.

I meantion Catholics only because it is often easier to see the problem clearly when "other people" are having the problem rather when you are having it.

James 4:17 "To him that knows to do right - and does it not - to him it is sin"

The Holy Spirit's job is to "convict the WORLD of sin and righteousness and judgment"

It is our job to go and share the good news of the Gospel as found in the Word of God -- teaching them ALL the Word of God. But it is not man that convicts man of sin -- it is the Holy Spirit.

I have shown you D.L Moody's sermon on the Sabbath commandment - right?

And I recently posted a link to an old 2008 World Net Daily news article researching that subject -
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1518461&postcount=65


Paul argues that as the chief of sinners he used to work for the goal of killing the saints. But in Phil 3 he declares that at that time he thought of himself as "blameless" before God.

in Christ,

Bob

 

My previous post addressed that - but upon reflection...

I am amazed that you would ask that question.

You seem to be saying that it is not possible that someone could read one of the Ten Commadments and then come up with some attractive rationale as to why they did not have to be in obedience to what they were reading.

I find it hard to believe that you of all people cannot imagine how such a thing might happen.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Did Jesus rationalize.

Thou shalt not kill. One of the Ten Commandments.

Matthew 5:21-22 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
--Have you been angry with your brother, Bob.
Jesus called that anger, murder. It is a violation of "Thou shalt not kill."

Further defined by John:
1 John 3:15-16 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

To murder is not confined to the actual act. It begins in the heart.
Many people have murdered, but will not admit to it.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
--And accordingly, if you have broken one law you are just as guilty as if you have broken every single one of them.

 

HP: What is so absurd is that such a survey proves absolutely nothing. Neither would the following surveys prove anything: A survey on whether or not anyone has not sinned, or if anyone did not sin for a day, month or year subsequent to salvation.

If there was a mountain no one had climbed before, does that make it a natural impossibility to climb? If no has ever landed on Mars, does it make it a natural impossibility for one to land there?

Here are two great verses for us to consider:
Heb 6:1 ¶ Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Php 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 ¶ Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Php 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 ¶ Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

 

Thus we have the Bible showing us that it is possible for people to be so confused as to "imagine" to themselves some kind of reasons why they are not to blame for breaking God's Commandments.

The question that was asked of me - is whether God would hold them guilty for breaking one of the Ten Commandments.

If the question is - "do people sin" - I have already noticed that they do.

If the question is "must the saints continually murder" - I have never said "They must".

in Christ,

Bob

 

In Romans 8:5-9 Paul clearly identifies those who "cannot submit to the Law of God" - they are the lost.

I am always impressed at how well some people can focus on the condition of the lost and how they "do not subject themselves to the law of God - neither indeed CAN they"

But as for the saints - "their faith ESTABLISHES the Law of God" Rom 3:31 so that they can say as does John in 1John 5 "His Commandments are NOT burdensome" for under the New Covenant the "LAw of God is written on the heart" Heb 8 and under the New Covenant "We are taking EVERY THOUGHT captive to the obedience of Christ" 2Cor 10:4-5 for as Paul says in 1Cor 7:19 "but what matters is KEEPING the commanments of God"