Featured Who Has Part in The First Resurrection?

. . . or a Pauline belief:

[Col 2:11-12 KJV] 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

 

No, not even if your Paul.
Paul did not teach mysticism. Paul used words that have meaning.
Thayer's definition of the Greek word for "resurrection"

 

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Satan is the god of this world.
But Christ is in heaven, not on this physical earth. Obviously he is not ruling his creation. As pointed out previously, his creation are some of the most dangerous disease-carrying animals to have ever existed, killing millions every year (mosquitoes for example). When he comes to set up his Kingdom, all nature will live in harmony (according to Isaiah 11), but that has not happened yet.

 

The definition you posted supports the things I've said. We won't change each others' minds, so I'm done here.

 

Help me out.

When is one who has been spiritually resurrected, resurrected and please be more specific than when he is born again?

If the wages of sin is spiritual death, exactly when did Christ spiritually die for us and exactly when and how was he spiritually resurrected in order that we could be made alive in him?



3:6 τὸ γεγεννημένον ἐκ τῆς σαρκὸς σάρξ ἐστιν καὶ τὸ γεγεννημένον ἐκ τοῦ πνεύματος πνεῦμά ἐστιν

That which is born of the flesh, flesh is and that which is born of the spirit, spirit is.

Two questions. What does, is, mean. Maybe I should ask Bill.
Can a living soul be both flesh and spirit at the same time?

 

Clear? Yes. But I disagree.

God is sovereign over all creation. As you said he "permits evil" it doesn't mean that evil is in control. Jesus reigns this earth from heaven. I'm not saying it is a totally revealed reign, I believe it is currently veiled and will brought in fullness during the millennium. But he still reigns!

As Salzer said, "the world" is a term often used to describe the wickedness of the system and people that are in rebellion against God, not necessarily the planet. So for Satan to be the god of the world, doesn't mean he is sovereign over this planet, but he has a measure of authority (still under God's total authority though) which he exercises over the ungodly system in rebellion against the creator.

 

Spiritual resurrection is the same as being born again...yet you hold to man being created separated from God. Inconsistent. If resurrection is raising those once alive up from the dead to life again either he cannot be created in the womb not having life or there was life at one point which was lost.

Yet another flaw of Augustinianism.

 

All were alive once in Adam. In Adam, all died.

 

So we were all alive spiritually prior to existing?

 

1Co 15:20-23
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

The topic here is not salvation. It is a literal physical resurrection.
It starts with the resurrection of Jesus who is the firstfruits of them that died. He was the first who ever rose from the dead (and stayed risen).

Then in vs. 21, Paul clarifies that the subject is still the physical resurrection lest any man misunderstand what he is about to say in verse 22:

"For as in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive."
Context: physical resurrection.
First: In Adam all die. The entire human race was plunged into sin because of Adam's sin. We all have a sin nature.
In Christ shall all be made alive--Only those "in Christ"--those that are believers, will be raised, a physical resurrection or made alive when the time comes. This is not speaking of salvation, but of our resurrection to come.

Still carrying on in the same context of the physical resurrection:
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
--Every person will be resurrected, not twice, but once. There is no such thing as a spiritual resurrection. We all will have one physical resurrection. And there is a definite order to that resurrection.
Look at the emphasis:
1. Christ the firstfruits.
2. Afterwards, they that are alive at his coming. This has not taken place yet. It occurs at the rapture according to 1Thes.4:17,18. There the phrase "dead in Christ" is used, as well as "we that are alive in Christ."
3. The he will come in judgment. That will be at the end of the seven year Tribulation. During that time there will be those who have been martyred for their faith.
4. Then at the end of the Millennial Kingdom the Unjust will arise and face the Great White Throne Judgment. This is the resurrection of the Unsaved.

There is order. Paul goes on to explain what happens at the time of the resurrection, our resurrection, our resurrected bodies. There is only one resurrection per person; not two. There is no such thing as a spiritual resurrection.

 

A bad premise to start with. We know it accords with the rest of Scripture.

Blatantly false! Paul denies this in 1Corinthians 15. There is no such thing as a spiritual resurrection. Only the J.W.'s teach this. They deny the resurrection of Jesus saying he had a "spiritual resurrection." How is that, and what is that? It doesn't exist. There is no such thing if you think it through. It is just mysticism.

 

No. Not as you're imagining it. But only living things can die. And if we died in Adam, then we were alive in Him.

Now we live again in the Second Adam.

 

The hope of every believer is the second coming of Christ, the rapture, at which time we will receive our glorified bodies.

Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
--This is our hope. It is the next thing to happen on God's timetable. We look for his coming. It is our blessed hope. It is not a coming in judgment but a blessed and glorious coming. It is for our comfort.

1Th 4:16-18
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
--Verse 18: We are to comfort one another with the hope of his coming for he is coming for the believer. He is coming for the dead in Christ, those who have died in Christ before us, and those who are alive at the time of his coming.

1Jn 3:2-3
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
--When he comes we receive our resurrection bodies. This is the first resurrection. We shall be like him for we shall see him as he is. What glorious thought!! We shall be like him! At that time (just before the Tribulation), we shall be like him. We will be glorified.
As in Titus 2:13, this is our hope. Keeping our eyes on his coming helps us to live a pure life.

Mat 24:36-42
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
--Take heed to these words of Christ.
First before he comes our world will be like it was in the days of Noah: eating, drinking and given in marriage--in other words very sinful. What else was it like? It was sinful enough that the Lord said:
"My Spirit shall not always strive with man." There is coming a day of judgment, a day when the Holy Spirit will withdraw himself, and God will pour out his judgement on this earth.

And then warning at the end, in verse 42--Watch! You don't know when this coming will be. It speaks of the rapture. No one knows when the rapture will be.

What will the rapture be like?

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Two pilots will be flying a plane; one will be taken, and the other left.
One couple will be driving in a car; one will be taken, and the other left.
Two men will be working together at a construction site; one will be taken, the other left.
Two women working in an office; one will be taken, the other left.
In an evangelical church perhaps 80% taken and 20% left.

Some refer to it as a "secret rapture."
Not so! With maybe more than one million believers worldwide, how will this be a secret?? There will be nothing secret about. It very well could be catastrophic depending on the effect Christians at that time will be having on the world.

OTOH, Jesus did say: "When I come will I find faith on the earth?" Did he mean 'faith' as in few Christians, or 'faith' as in the Christians that were, are weak Christians. I am not certain.
Look around. China is a fast growing nation. Its "Christian" population is quickly growing. There are also many others in third world nations that are coming to Christ due to persecution. There are many new believers in many nations.
Just some things to think about.

 

You skipped the timetable, in Matthew 24, so I'll help out, cuz I'm a good guy like that.

Mat 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

It was an answer to this prayer:

Mat 24:3
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?


Praise God for answered prayer!!!

I pray that God opens the eyes of the deceived.