Who here thinks babies go to heaven ?

RFW, please don't tell me I don't get it. You've said this before to me. I do get it. I was not asking about Muslim or Buddhist babies because there is no such thing. Babies don't have belief systems. I was asking JohnV a question and he knew what I meant.

I am pretty much in agreement with you on the above.

 

What scientific fact? There is a scientific fact that sin is in the blood?

Jesus was born of the HS but also of man's flesh. He had Mary's blood through the placenta in her womb. He had human flesh. He had to be born as one of us in order to atone for our sins (see Hebrews 2). Of course, he had no sin nature because he is also God.

(Sorry, not time to take out the footnote marks.)

Please note verse 14. Jesus had human flesh and human blood.

 

JohnV, I put your response in the thread on Jesus as the only way in the General Baptist Forum.

 

It was not necessary that Christ be born of a virgin to be sinless. His virgin birth was a sign. At least that's what the Scriptures state.

Sin is not "something" that is passed down from the male donor. It's actually the LACK of something, and that is spiritual life. It can't be given by either the male or the female.

 

What scientific fact? There is a scientific fact that sin is in the blood?

Jesus was born of the HS but also of man's flesh. He had Mary's blood through the placenta in her womb. He had human flesh. He had to be born as one of us in order to atone for our sins (see Hebrews 2). Of course, he had no sin nature because he is also God.

(Sorry, not time to take out the footnote marks.)

Please note verse 14. Jesus had human flesh and human blood. </font>[/QUOTE]The woman feeds the baby. She does not provide the blood.

 

From the Bible, of course. The Bible says the virgin birth was a sign, not a necessity:

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Mat 1:22-23 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

But a little correction to your biology lesson is in order. The blood in the infant is neither the mother's nor the father's, it's the infant's, and both mother and father contribute information for it's construction in the embryo.

http://www.biology.arizona.edu/human_bio/problem_sets/blood_types/inherited.html

Now, where in the Bible do you get that it's the father that "passes" sin on to his progeny?

Biological and Theological Offenses of DeHaan: Statements presented as fact with no Scriptural or Scientific basis:</font>

• When man sinned in the garden, something happened to his blood!</font>
• And that problem with the blood passed from Adam to all of his children! We get our blood from our father, who got it from his father. . .!</font>
• Christ’s Blood Was Divine Blood!–It Came From The Holy Spirit!</font>

DeHaan's deal reads like Greek mythology.

 

The DOCTOR in that paragraph didn't say the blood comes from the father. It just says no blood came from the mother.

Besides, he's off in goofy land thinking that there was "divine" blood in Christ's veins. Tell me, did the blood cells that stained the whips and the tip of the spear ever decay, or are they still in perfect form mixed up somewhere in the soil of the earth?

 

No, our blood does not come from sperm! The egg cell provides 22 somatic chromosomes, one X chromosome, and the zygote's first mitochondria. The sperm cell provides 22 somatic chromosomes and either an X chromosome or a Y chromosome. The zygote divides and slowly develops until it begins to make its own blood.

Additionally, cells do manage to cross the placenta. Mothers of boys often have cells with Y chromosomes in their bodies that come from their unborn sons. I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if maternal cells cross the placenta to the unborn child as well.

 

Petrel, I do think you are right about that, too.

The baby's blood is never intermingled completely with mom's, in that she doesn't manufacture it or add to the baby's blood supply. The baby is making its own blood.
And if the baby did retain some of Dad's original blood, than half of my kids would be allergic to their own blood, because my husband and I have a minor blood incompatability. Im "allergic" to three of my kids! ooops!

Ive also been taught that Jesus had to be born of a virgin in order to not have a sin nature, but I remember it always being taught as conjecture.....a possibility for why God chose to have it be a virgin birth. But I've never seen it stated that way in the Bible.

 

Sperm doesn't contain hardly anything except DNA. Of course, DNA is very important. It is the pattern for the life to come, the blueprint for the construction of a living being.

The mother provides an equal share of DNA. Both parents contribute equal information about how to make blood. The embryo makes its own blood from the food provided by the mother's body.

The mother uniquely contribues a loop of DNA that sits outside the cell nucleous proper, the mitochondrial dna, the father contributes none of that.