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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by blessedwife318, May 13, 2015.

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  1. Darrell C

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    So this...


    Revelation 11:15

    King James Version (KJV)

    15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.



    ...has already taken place, then. Right?


    God bless.
     
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    "No, the "purchase price" was paid at Calvary, but everything has its proper time. We were redeemed at Calvary, but the Bible says "We wait for the redemption of our bodies." Our bodies have not yet been redeemed. They still remain under the curse, as does this earth. At the resurrection we will receive our new bodies--they will be redeemed. At the Second Coming the earth will be renewed, restored--as it was in the Garden of Eden. Animals will be in harmony with each other once again"

    The question was for this from the link you presented.

    According to what you have said there is no Kingdom age, no 1000 year reign. You have stated I believe that when Christ returns the New Heaven and New Earth will come the old renovated by Fire as Peter describes. Yet you say the earth will be restored to as it was in the Garden. Revelation says after the earth is renovated by Fire New Jerusalem comes down.

    So the question was posed, do you believe in the Millennial Kingdom happening now?
     
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    God own's the earth and it was created to be inhabited. Man was created to inhabit the earth eternally but not the man Adam, as created in Genesis. I believe the first man Adam, the living soul, was created flesh and blood, subjected to the desires of the flesh, therefore carnal, sold under sin and therefore would need to be redeemed in order to inherit the kingdom of God, the world to come of Heb 2:5.

    See other thread. The Son of God the Son of Man and man created in his image is who will inherit all things. IMHO
     
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    I said nothing in the post to which yo are responding I was simply posting Scripture showing that GOD is sovereign and that includes all of HIS creation.

    Does your response mean that you are in bed with rm and DC regarding the sovereignty/dominion of GOD?
     
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    So there will be no animal sacrifices during the millennium?
     
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    Were there any in the garden before the fall?
     
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    DC would just like an answer to a simple question:


    So this...


    Revelation 11:15

    King James Version (KJV)

    15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.



    ...has already taken place, then. Right?

    Your confusion between a temporal context and an eternal, as well as your confusion between what is salvific and what is memorial is irrelevant to the question.

    Could you explain why you refuse to answer at least?


    God bless.
     
  8. convicted1

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    People own the earth they live on via deeds...:tongue3:
     
  9. Darrell C

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    Then we would have to say the Catholic Church is the big dog. I understand they own more real estate than any other single organization.

    God bless.
     
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    No but pre-trib-dispensationalism teaches there will be during the millennium!

     
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    Certainly God is sovereign. He always was and always will be.
    But define "sovereign." Was he sovereign when he allowed Satan to have his way with Job to do as he wished?
    Is he still sovereign as he has allowed Satan to become the "god of this world," the "prince of the power of this world," the "spirit that now rules in darkness."
    He is the god of this world. But yes, God is still sovereign. Jesus Christ is not ruling this earth now. Satan is. But when Christ comes he will defeat satan and his minions and then he will establish His Kingdom.
    He said to Pilate: "My Kingdom is not of this world." And he meant that for this time and age. But some day it will be "of this world," when he sits on the throne of David and rules from Jerusalem.
     
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    The Seventh Trumpet

    Revelation 11:15-19, KJV
    15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
    16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
    17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
    18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
    19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.


    With the sound of the seventh trumpet The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ. Rather than a vision of woe we see a picture of the triumph of the Kingdom of God. Voices ring out, the praise of all the host of heaven, the great multitude, the four beasts, and the twenty four elders. The coming of the Kingdom brings resurrection, the resurrection to life, the Blessed Hope, of those who are redeemed to God by the blood of the Lamb. These are the ones who fear His Name [Matthew 10:28], those who overcome [1 John 5:4], those whose robes have been washed white in the blood of the Lamb [Revelation 7:14]. These will wear a crown: the crown of life [Revelation 2:10], the crown of righteousness [2 Timothy 4:8]. These will enter into the joy of the Lord [Matthew 25:21] and become pillars in the Temple of God [Revelation 3:12]. With all the host of heaven, the redeemed will sing: We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

    We also see in Verse 18 the fulfillment of that which Jesus Christ promised in John 5:28, 29, a picture of the General Resurrection and General Judgment.

    John 5:28, 29
    28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
    29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


    The Apostle Paul tells us that at the sound of the seventh and last trumpet:

    1 Corinthians 15:50-57
    50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
    51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    54. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
    55. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
    56. The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
    57. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.


    The above passage is obviously a picture of the resurrection promised by Jesus Christ in John 5:28-29 because the Apostle Paul tells us that there will be no more death!

    There will be no pre-trib-"snatching away" of the Church, there will be no millennial kingdom, there will be no renewal of meaningless animal sacrifices, and after the sounding of the Seventh and Last Trumpet there will be no more death. But there will be a New Heavens and New Earth wherein righteousness dwells. There the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. When Jesus Christ shouted on the Cross It is Finished HE mean't exactly that!
     
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    NO........:BangHead:
     
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    There will be no pre-trib-"snatching away" of the Church, there will be no earthly millennial kingdom, there will be no renewal of meaningless animal sacrifices, and after the sounding of the Seventh and Last Trumpet there will be no more death. But there will be a New Heavens and New Earth wherein righteousness dwells. There the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. When Jesus Christ shouted on the Cross It is Finished HE mean't exactly that!

     
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    THANK YOU... THANK YOU... & THANK YOU....and most of all "THANK GOD!"
     
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    Well God will snatch all away whether they believe it or not. So Thank God you don't have to believe to be Snatched Away.

    Paul taught is, Jesus promised it that early church Fathers believed it and that is GOOD enough for me.
     
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    Christ will snatch you away if you are truly His whether you believe it or not so you can Thank God for that!

    Paul taught it, Jesus Promised it the early church fathers believed it would happen and that is good enough for me!
     
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    Paul did not teach the "snatching away!

    Jesus Christ did not teach the "snatching away" HE taught the general resurrection and judgment of ALL

    John 5:28, 29
    28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
    29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


    Many of the early Church Fathers were wrong about many things. If you quote these people then provide a link otherwise they are worthless!
     
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    This person is questioning my Salvation. In fairness this person should be reprimanded!
     
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