Who Pays for Cap and Trade?

No, they just made regime change their official policy.

 

Change you can believe in... :thumbsup:

 

Getting back to cap and trade; everyone in the country will pay. Of course more industry may move to China. Then JC and LeBuick can blame Bush.

 

So what is wrong with all the incentives Obama is offering for these companies to convert to green energy? Instead of having to charge us more for goods and services why don't we encourage them to switch? If they switch, this becomes a moot point.

 

There are 243 million vehicles in this country that use petroleum products to run. Instead of drilling offshore for known sources of oil O'bama and his loopy ilk are obsessing about green energy.

ilk: family, class, or kind.
loopy: slang for O'bamamites

Heh! Does that make loopy ilk redundant?

 

Gotta start somewhere, you can see and taste the brown cloud in our city. Be a good ilk and help clean it up for future generations...

 

I would invite you to come south but Yankees are cluttering up the place now. Atlanta is the biggest Yankee city south of the Mason Dixon line. That may be the reason JC always has a burr:smilewinkgrin: :smilewinkgrin: under his saddle.:laugh: :laugh:

 

I can't speak for JC but I believe the burr was caused by Bush. I think it's the 8 year variety. :laugh:

 

Based on your response I would assume that you drive a Prius?

No?

I didn't think so.

Libs like to find solutions that require everyone else to do the heavy lifting while excusing themselves.

 

Nope, I drive an old Buick PA but am hoping a used hybrid is incented within my range when this one dies. Until then, I am prepared to pay a little more to drive my beast. As been stated many times in this thread, there is no one non-green who is immune to this one. Not sure how you blame libs for thinking others will carry this load? Not that I am a lib but it is a liberal president that proposed the caps, it will take a liberal house to pass it so I am not sure what you think they're dodging? It appears they are willing to make the tough, non-politically friendly decisions to begin to turn this thing around.

Now look at the big picture instead of through your narrow funnel, Billions are being made available to convert these businesses to green. The conversion will generate a private industry in and of itself that will advance technologies, bring cost under control through mass production and will make millions of jobs both making the technologies and converting present businesses. New professions may even come for the people who maintain these technologies. And all of this can be done in less time and resources than getting a new offshore oil rigs productive.

I guess none of this make sense when your comprehensive energy plan consist of "drill baby drill"???

 

Ya'll keep in mind that the Prius is also environmentally evil.

The nickel used for the battery is strip-mined out of Canada, sent overseas for assembly, and then sent back. By the time all the transport, mining, re-transport, etc. takes place...are we really saving anything?

 

I've read a car full of batteries weighs in at more than my Trooper.

 

One other thing that people are conned into believing is that the electricity used to charge these batteries is both free and has no carbon footprint.

 

It will have no carbon footprint when we switch to green energy. How about plugging into a wind farm?

 

Looks like the con is on.

 

Wind farms, solar farms etc.can never produce enough energy. we need to also drill, build refineries, build nuke plants, process natural gas etc.

 

It hasn't even been 100 days and they are ruining this country already. What will it look like after 4 years? They should all be impeached. There is going to be a revolution in this country yet. I can't believe the masses are ready to roll over and be dead.

 

What is the carbon footprint to manufacture the wind farms and transmission lines?

What kind of pillage of the earth will be necessary to obtain the materials to manufacture the materials?

How much energy will be required to manufacture the materials?

Has anyone done an analysis to determine the number of years for the payback in that regard?

 

That would involve actual science and calculation. No can do.

Also, keep in mind...the greenies have opposed nuclear power for years...so that now, we're so far behind, and it's so expensive to build, that we will probably never get it done.

Ironically, Europe...the entity that many left-leaning folk in this country idolize...has benefitted from nuclear energy for years.

 

With current technologies no. However, technologies are being improved each day and when the smart electrical grid gets installed, we have wind enough for everyone out on the great plains...