Who told us it is a Sin to Drink?

Actually that isn't Paul's statement at all. He isn't saying lighten up and drink up (paraphrase).. but to take a small amount for your ailment, and even that 'small' amount was mixed typically 1 part to 3 part water to dilute it even more.

 

Just wondering isn't this the same topic that was debated for over 30 pages in the general discussion?

 

Brother Allan, if this is all you have to support teetotalism- you don't have anything and you ought to abandon the notion forthwith.

 

Then it is apparent you read very little and know even less.

I would encourage you to read more to better reduce your both your ignorance on my position and potentially your arrogance. I have written a great deal on this subject, on the BB, over the years on why biblically believers should abstain or not. This thread is dealing with the FACT that the issue of not drinking alcohol dates back to the apostles and not simply to recent American History.

Thank you for your irrelevant post and addition of nothing to OP, or thread in general.

 

Not for what I'm discussing and the OP is requesting.
Who told us it is a sin to drink = OP
The thread began stating view began around early 1900's or so in America.
I was correcting that view and that it goes much further back but not necessarily that it was sin in and of itself to drink but that it is a sin TO continue to drink if you know a brother/sister in the Lord believes it is sin. In so doing you do not only sin against them but against your Lord as well.

My point is that it began much longer than a 100 years ago and is supported by scripture.

 

I don't think that that is apparent to anyone who objectively reads you and I on here. Your position is indefensible and historically nonexistent for all practical purposes.

That I have seen you refer to this Timothy business about three different times if memory serves (which is a nonargument since there is absolutely NO REASON to assume that Timothy was a teetotaler) shows that you have no case for this silly notion that God opposes the moderate use of alcoholic beverages.

You have no case. I have read a dozen of your posts or better and you cannot MAKE a case that holds water that God opposes the responsible consumption of alcoholic beverages.

You are reduced to using passages like this one which do not say anything like what you want them to say and passages in Proverbs which do not mean what you want them to mean either.

That's it Allen. That's all you have. Which is- nothing.

Is this post more helpful?

 

You stand in the dark, or at least continue to stand there. Even those Reformed drinkers establish the very fact of Timothy not drinking alcohol by the Time Paul is writing to him.

Your last sentence proves not only your complete ignorance but also willing inability to comprehend.

Not only do I have a case.. I have the most biblical case one can have
Though I do note it is apparent you haven't 'read' anything I have written because you are regurgitating the same mess of your own concoction and it has nothing to do with what I am speaking to.

However if you think it is permissible to continue drinking KNOWING that to another they believe it is sin and is a stumbling block, then yes.. we might need to talk since you would be teaching falsely.

See, here you show you have read nothing I have I have written because I never used a proverbs passage. Each passage I used, I used in the context the writer intended it to be used..

It was.. it proves you know very little but speak with great boasting words about how much you know.

 

Seriously, Luke...you need to get a grip. It might do you some good to log off for a while and take a walk, enjoy the afternoon...you live in a beautiful part of the country.

 

Allan, I stand corrected. I agree with your stand on consumption of alcohol. sometimes it feels as if we are :BangHead: when we talk to someone with an opposing viewpoint.

 

That's not accurate, Allan. Fathers has nothing at all to do with who are Jewish. It is passed from their mother. I'm in the same boat as Timothy my mother's mother was Jewish. So, I am also Jewish.

Timothy was very aware of his heritage. He was taught scriptures as well from his youth. So, he would have been aware of the customs dealing with the festivals that included the drinking of wine.

That is not the case at all. The Passover meal would be the only thing that an uncircumcised person would be excluded from.

 

we noticed:thumbsup:

 

The first Temperance Movement:

588 B.C.
Jeremiah 35:6-10 But they said, We will drink no wine: for Jonadab the son of Rechab our father commanded us, saying, Ye shall drink no wine, neither ye, nor your sons for ever: Neither shall ye build house, nor sow seed, nor plant vineyard, nor have any: but all your days ye shall dwell in tents; that ye may live many days in the land where ye be strangers. Thus have we obeyed the voice of Jonadab the son of Rechab our father in all that he hath charged us, to drink no wine all our days, we, our wives, our sons, nor our daughters; Nor to build houses for us to dwell in: neither have we vineyard, nor field, nor seed: But we have dwelt in tents, and have obeyed, and done according to all that Jonadab our father commanded us.

Jeremiah 35:18-19 And Jeremiah said unto the house of the Rechabites, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Because ye have obeyed the commandment of Jonadab your father, and kept all his precepts, and done according unto all that he hath commanded you: Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me for ever.

 

Bro OUB,

I am a "tee-totaller" all the way, but I will not infringe upon those who drink in moderation. I do not believe this is the way to go, but we all have to do what we feel is right in the sight of God. The reason why I am a tee-totaller is because I don't think I could be a good witness to anyone while holding a Bud Lite in my hand. The bible does say to "Let not your good be evil spoken of", but as I have already stated, what someone does is their business and not mine. :thumbs::tonofbricks::jesus: