WHO told you that you were naked?

To me "nakedness" symbolizes "sin" can anyone help me in the way of refute on that thought according to scripture? This is how I am seeing "nakedness" in the garden. Not at all seeing this in physical sense but in the spiritual.

I realize they were naked before they ate of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil but only aware that they were naked after they ate.

Thanks for any help you can give me
In Him Kim

 

Brother Glen,

I just wrote you a long response and I lost my reply in cyberspace. In short though, in view of how Job speaks of what Adam was hiding I'm attributing Adam hiding his nakedness on equal footing as transgressions. When He covered himself in the garden it is written that he covered his nakeness but in Job its seen as covering his transgressions.

So knowing He was naked before he ate then "aware" of his nakedness after he ate I'm wondering if nakedness itself is the sin nature itself and the awareness of it the realization of what that nature just did so to speak... I hope I worded that right, I'm fried from the last post I lost sigh...

We know that sin is afforded by the commandment and the first "shalt not" appears in the garden. You know that I believe the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a type of the law to come at Siani, though thats probrobly another thread and has been in the past what I'm looking for is the use of the word nakedness as sin nature... is there any biblical no no to procede in that direction?

In Him Kim

 

Thank you Mr. Curtis, I appreciate your input here, I often have wondered why God did not wait till Eve was made to issue the command, "Thou shalt not eat"? Looks like He told Adam alone and causes me to wonder why He did not bring forth both before the command was issued. Thats just something that sits in the back of my mind if you ever had one of those...

In Him Kim

 

I think nakedness is the shame of sin and not the actual sin. Just thinking out loud.

John I can definately see what you have posted, keep thinking aloud

Being "naked" is seen both before and after here and its this I desire to reconcile for a better understanding. Are the scriptures clear that Adams nakedness was his sinful nature before he ate from this tree? Then if that tree was a type of the Law we could indeed reconcile why God issued the command not to eat of the fruit of that tree because that tree (being the law) would only make one aware of their nature... Hmmmm I don't know, still thinking on this. The Law itself made them conscious of sin, the tree made them consciious of their nakedness Job calls transgressions equating both nakedness with sin, yet at the same time before anything happened even before they ate nakedness was present. What a brain teaser lol!

There is a curse issued at this time in its "type" and a curse then which followed after the law. I have alot of peices which I am satisfied in seeing but there are loose strings surrounding the train of thought I'd like to reconcile.

WHO told you that you were naked has come back to me and provoked me to thought once again, I can't tell you how many times it has... The question keeps coming up in my mind over and over as if there is more to understand concerning this.

Whats so bad in knowing the truth about yourself? Your naked you are right? Someone just informed you what tells us that we are? I thought it was not "who" but "what" but God asks "who" in connection to the "what".

So God makes them coverings for their nakedness, for naked we come and naked we go, the Lord gives the coverings and Jesus takes them away here.

If I had not spoken to them they would have NOT had sin but now they have "no cloke" for their sin.

That's interesting, if HE had NOT spoken to them they would have not had sin?

Though "coverings" are as a garment but "cloke" is a covering of pretence, I don't believe they are the same here. I definately have some further looking into to do.

John, think aloud more often its helpful

Thanks so much

In Him Kim

 

Thank you Me2, Chemnitz and John,

Me2, if they were enraptured by the glory of God or part of it I could definately see your point in fact He is our Shepherd we shall not want, yet Eve saw something of that tree to be "desirous of". I thought it pretty noble in one sense that she desired to be "like God" who is Holy Just and good, immitation is the highest source of flattery right? In fact we should be immitators of Christ. Thats why I'm wondering about their nakedness prior to eating of the tree what was true prior was only made known to them only after eating.

Also (if that tree started the whole problem or the downward spin of humanity) why (if others who think it is NOT the law) is there still nothing in the law concerning it? Just having fun with that thought....

But I see what your saying Me2, you gave me some things to think on but I'm still back at the begining on this unless I'm missing it somewhere, but its nice to know that others "ponder these things" wondering... "yeah... I wish I knew exactly without doubt what this is about", the honesty is refreshing here.

Chemnitz

I would like to hear more on this nakedness deal along with the crafty thing... That was elloquent of me huh? lol!

You said that sin is not nakedness rather a product of sin I'm right with you, but how does relate to "before" disobedience? I see what your saying on the "after part" but its the "before" I need to understand, this is what I'm looking for here. Naked was a fact in scripture, them becoming aware of it another, and God drawing to their attention that they have realized this and asking them who told them that makes me REALLY want to know. lol!

John.... You lost me pal, that went right over my head and is tangled in my pony tail (well... its not really a pony tail, it looks like a broccoli tree on the top of my head)

Sorry, I'm a bit giddy at the moment for reasons beyond me

In Him Kim

 

Chemnitz,

On second thought, still leaning back on Job he equates nakedness with transgressions. The nakedness prior to the disobedience could have been the nature of sin (shown as nakedness) before it was afforded by the actual act itself. The act itself (of sinning according to its nature) is then "awareness" of its own nature, so nakedness is seen in both pictures for a purpose of understanding that God knew this would have happened all along?

They were not hiding their nakedness (the nature itself) prior but after their nature engaged in itself they knew themselves? Just flying thoughts around, still nothing real solid here on my side. But I do love when the wheels start turning lol!

In Him Kim

 

Exactly Me2! This is how I am seeing this. I might add in an inspired moment there was Adam (who is but a patern of Him to come) taking the fruit from "her" (His beloved's) hand...then the verse that says Adam who did not sin but Eve did makes sense from this vantage point.

You put that beautifully Me2, your sharing always blesses me

In Him Kim

 

i'm feeling a bit like kenburton today.. lol,

lol don't flatter yourself John, I can understand alot of what Ken writes (minus the number stuff) lol! (couldn't resist a bit of jest).

Without a doubt I see that the coverings were symbolic, but I still don't get the burnt offering thing in connection to the coverings, although I'm not real familiar with the burnt offering stuff, its not my area of fascination so I wouldn't know anyway, Argh!

Ya got me kiddo, I haven't the slightest clue

In Him Kim

 

When we see by Gods grace that Jesus Christ is "OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS" then we are no longer naked are we!... Brother Glen

Brother Glen, without a doubt I agree, but I sometimes have those "irking questions" about the begining and the "whys" to alot of questions which might possibly invite a sermon. Technically those things can be given sterile answers which just don't satisfy the heart. I'm sure we've all had them and still do secretly as I myself do.

Its that "heart to heart" "face to face" kind of inner pleading from the deepest recesses of the soul that needs to ask and desire to know the things pen and paper seems to evade.

We know there are times when God gives us insight, refreshing times in His presense and a closeness beyond our comprehension, to describe the beauty of these times would take more then words because they fail. I sense only love, grace, beauty and pure goodness and I've known Him in both my studying and personal time alone with Him to show me grace in places where I saw none at all, thats the beauty in our fellowship with Him as He reveals Himself to us.

So theres irks, questions, which desire us to ask seek and knock desiring that the door will open as we wrestle with questions on our hearts, they are our own questions without a doubt, so I can't think they would be of great importance to everyone, especially since everyone else is doing what I am too yet with their own questions on their hearts.

But it is pretty amazing to meet another in Christ who has shared that itch beyond all itches to understand something in their heart with all truthfulness of understanding and come into their presence and be poured the heavenly drink that has welled up in them.

Just putting my "feelers" out here and thank you for all your responses I appreciate the time you all took at the keyboard

In Him Kim