Who Was Your Fav. President ...

The same Reagan who lied about his involvement in the Iran-Contra affair, and the had more than 30 members of his administration, including Bush I lie to Congress under oath and hung Ollie North out to dry as the scapegoat? The same Reagan who consulted the stars and spirits to make policy decisions for the US? That Reagan?

And as far as Republicans go, what's the difference between advocating for the "nut" groups openly, as you claim Democrats do, or telling Christian right wing voters they're going to support and advocate for their issues, and then never getting around to doing it. As far as that goes, it makes most Republicans liars.

"It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in princes. Psalm 118:9

 

*Pete comes to type something, reads thread while here, almost writes a flame reply to something, decides it's not worth the effort so just bites tongue (errr keyboard) instead, then types... *

My answer for Aussie PMs is always the same. The current one is always the worst. Best would be the next one because after the current one anything would look good....Until the next one gets in and he becomes worse than the one before....

 

They did, he's gone; where is Barney Frank?

At least Foley was not wondering what the definition of "is" is.

 

Everyone can't be as smart as Clinton. Who else was smart enough to come up with a defense "is"? I doubt if you still know what is is?

Anyway, we haven't heard the last of it, the Republicans didn't get rid of him until ABC let the cat out of the bag. It is another coverup!!

 

It's just politics as usual. Our national political system is too big. It's easy for things not to be known and other things to be swept under the rug.

Politics breeds corruption on both sides and at most every level.

 

Good grief man take a pill! Talk about not speaking the truth or being a "false witness".


A) The Tower commission investigated the Iran/Contra affair and concluded it's findings, sir! Yes, much was due to Reagan's style of leadership whereas he allowed his cabinet freedom in making decisions. Those involved with the Iran/Contra affair then ran amok as carried out in complete secrecy. Therefor no decision or checks were available. You however forget to mention the attempt was to free American hostages and re-establish some sort of dialog with Iran. Not that these things matter, when it comes to Liberals being able to smear a man!

The Tower commission found that Reagan was not aware of the wrongdoings. Tower

The Tower commission noted "the Board is convinced that the President does indeed want the full story to be told".

Of which Reagan did himself in taking ultimate responsibility with a speech to the American people, March 4, 1987. Text or MP3 available. http://millercenter.virginia.edu/scripps/diglibrary/prezspeeches/reagan/rwr_1987_0304.html

He accepted the panels findings and undertook the necessary corrections within his Administration. Indeed went beyond that. You would never get such as this from a Clinton, or a Bush for that matter! Not by any politician today and rarely in the past!:thumbs: He also called Oliver North an American Hero! This as he saw throughout the ordeal. As Oliver North noted himself recently from an attack by a Liberal in these matters, on the Shawn Hannity show.


B) Ronald Reagan never "..consulted the stars and spirits to make policy decisions for the US?" as you say! This is blatant!
Nancy Reagan resorted to such things after Ronald Reagan was shot. She was terrified and became obsessed with his safety thereafter. Don Regan resigned over the Contra affair and it was leaked that Nancy Reagan had done such. He and Nancy Reagan often clashed over certain aspects. He noted she would consort to such when making travel schedules but rejected any policy had ever been done with such! However the media and their adversaries made much more of it as still seen today!

Nancy Reagan admitted her deep fears in losing Ronald Reagan after his shooting and in these regards. She also admitted to her obsession with his safety afterward in "My Turn".

If you would like to hold this against her go ahead, but I would rather give her and others sympathy with forgiveness! As we all fall short of the Glory of God.

Just to set the record straight!

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C) The Democratic party and Liberals speak openly for themselves! Gay marriage, abortion, removal of God from the Public etc, etc. There is nothing hidden in their agenda! I am a conservative and can only vote for who I feel is the best candidate. Speaking for myself, nobody tells me who to vote for or what my priorities are! Whether a politician follows up on his word is upon him, but it makes nobody a liar if they don't!!!


D) It's amazing how some can turn an "uplifting" thread into complete discontent. Maybe we should try and keep it at least somewhat uplifting!
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God Blessed Reagan and Washington with INTEGRITY, FORTITUDE, AND GRACE::applause: :applause:

In Christ, Ralph:jesus:

 

Best Presidents:

1. Washington - He had no precedent and had to "make it up as he went."

2. Lincoln - He held the country together in the bloodiest years of our history, and it cost him his life.

3. Jefferson - What hasn't already been said about Jefferson?

4. FDR - WPA CCC and the Great Depression

5. JFK - Stood up to the Russians and started the space program

6. Lyndon Johnson - Like him or not, bottom line is that he is the one who signed the Civil Rights legislation, the most important issue of the 20th century.

 

Clinton, he used every one above to his advantage.

 

Reagan was a "b" movie actor, but he sure seems to have convinced some people that he was a great president.

Sorry, but the documentation doesn't quite lead to the spin you put on it.

I don't put much stock in God's blessing someone who only darkened the doorway of a church a half dozen times in his life.

 

Anyone that can take a bullet and act that good

. . . is alot better than a 'B' . . .

 

The most overrated president in US history was JFK.

His bungling (his performance at their first meeting convinced the Soviet Premier that he was capable of being pushed around) almost led to nuclear war twice, (Berlin, and Cuba) he kept 'Nam spinning, he picked as a VP (and his successor) one of the most corrupt presidents in American history, and his attention to his "personal needs" had an effect similiar to Billy-Bob's.

My dad was active in Democratic Party politics in those days, and I remember well that before the assassination, the Dems were looking to dump him. The reason he was in Dallas was to try to shore up his base! When he was shot, he became a big hero.

There won't be a serious examination and evaluation of his presidency until all of the adoring millions are in the ground.

AS far as Clinton goes, the sign over his head should read, "if only." He rode Reagan's economy and financed the government's theoretical "surplus" by gleefully reducing our armed forces by nearly 800,000 troops (unfortunately with the full collusion of the GOP congress) because he and his crew believed that the end of the Cold War would lead to universal peace. Now, the investment to restore even part of that level of forces is not possible politically.

The biggest problem with all of them (Bush II and Reagan included) is that they are all victims of the deluded Wilsonian idea that democracy can and should spread throughout the Earth. In reality, democracy as we understand it, will not grow nor survive in most of the world as cultures are now. Abdul Thomas Jefferson, with rule of law, full religious freedom and minority rights is not going to show up on the scene. The only two hostile cultures we have been able to force to accept our style of government were Japan and Germany. In both cases, we had to flatten the country, dictate a constitution, and plant an army there to make it happen. That is reality.

Because of this whole idea of evangelistic democracy, the US keeps making the same mistakes over and over again, and we keep missing opportunities to actually fix things.

Until the US grows leaders with an understanding of Realpolitik, this won't improve.

 

OK, as a non-American, viewed from Australia..

Not really that familiar with many of your earlier presidents, so from the post WW2 ones..

Favourite would be Jimmy Carter, at least he knew there were countries in the world outside America, and he displayed honesty and integrity. (honerable mention for Eisenhour)

Least favourite ... Ronald Ragan, always gave the impression of a 'B' (or 'C' ) grade actor not quite sure what the script was .. rather frightening as someone who could cause a crisis through ignorance and arrogance...


and i do agree with Pete .. our own pollies are nothing to really boast about...

Regards
Bob

 

An interesting dynamic, Bob.

Here's a paradox for ya: Though Carter pushed peace (and I honestly think he desired it), he made America uneasy. And though many thought Reagan pushed war (I don't think he did), he brought a sense of peace to many Americans...because he stood up to the USSR and their quest to dominate the world.

Shifting gears...

One president I'm quite ambivalent about is FDR.

Good: he led our country through the dark days of WW2...and his determination and confidence galvanized the American people.

Bad: FDR's Ponzi scheme of Social Security will eventually bankrupt the US. He didn't bring about the graft and cause later Congresses to raid the fund; but he should have known better than establishing that program.

FDR had far too many "big government" ideas. I'm a small-gov't guy. That's why Calvin Coolidge is among my favorites.

 

Favorite president - Ronald Reagan.

Least favorite- Bill Clinton

My answer has nothing to do with "best" or " worst", just "favorite".

 

As always, I enjoy reading your opinion - and as usual, a well-thought-out post. I would have to say that the most "overrated President" was Reagan. Although I like him, he is given more credit that I think is due. For example, the economy - I disagree that Clinton inherited the economy from him, especially given the fact that there was a recession before Clinton came into office.

Hope all is well with you and yours in the other Commonwealth.
BiR

 

It simply amazes me that a Christian can find joy in smearing a man and continue to post falsities! You sir simply want to discredit the man out of apparent and pure hatred!
Ok, so he was considered a "B" movie actor. So what is the significant insight you wish to share with us? He actually was the main draw and highest actor at MGM? for many decades! I think that is the correct studio. But I would say a "B" movie actor is better than a "C" movie actor, but true not as good as a "A" movie actor. As today with Tom Cruise and many/most who practice paganism or such. Which do you prefer???

Ronald Reagan was not perfect as non are with possible exception of you; but he was a great president, great man and Christian!! He did attend Church throughout his lifetime but stopped regular attendance after the assassination attempt. Because of the security requirements and impositions, etc.:BangHead:


National Review:
http://www.nationalreview.com/books/karnick200404190928.asp

Christianity Today
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/123/12.0.html

Wall Street Journal, excerpt posted at FireAntGazette.
http://www.ericsiegmund.com/fireant/archivesmt/001007.html

Wikipedia:

Again it amazes me a Christian would take apparent joy in smearing a man! I would hope we would rather STAND FOR THE TRUTH! You know as Jesus would have us do.


Take care,

Ralph:jesus:

 

...........and yet, Ron Reagan Jr. has maintained that his father was not a religious man, despite the perception of many.

BiR

 

Call me a cynic on politics and religion. I believe most political types will say whatever they think will advance their agendas.

Wasn't it Nancy who used psychics and astrologers?

Mr. Reagan did make some fine speeches on religion, but how those played out in his life, I don't know.

Perhaps if I had more faith in the views of Rev. Graham . . .

 

rsr???

Wouldn't have been just as easy to say

"My favorite President was Ronald Reagan!!!"

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