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Who's Was the Responsible of Sept 11 Attack?

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  1. DeafPosttrib

    DeafPosttrib New Member

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    I know it is past 7 years now. But, I am sure that many of us still remember it, and none body want to forget it. It was very sadden day. There are much debate on Sept 11 attack. Some saying it is conspiracy, some say it was from terrorists outside U.S. Some saying it is inside job within U.S. I would like to hear your opinion who's was the responsible for Sept 11 Attack. For me, I believe Sept 11 Attack was iniside job within U.S.

    Let's discuss and hear your opinions, who's responsible for Sept 11 Attack.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
  2. DeafPosttrib

    DeafPosttrib New Member

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    Excsue me. Where I can find polls so, I can list questions with poll to post it? Thanks.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
  3. Jim1999

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    Whilst the attackers were all within the USA, there is no question where they came from, and why they came to the USA. They trained all over the Muslim world and many straight out of Saudi Arabia, a supposed friend of the USA.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  4. ray Marshall

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    If you think it was a conspiracy, then I'm with you. Too many reasons that don't make sense.
     
  5. rbell

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    Riiiiight.

    Let's see...we have muslim terrorists with motives (evil and twisted, but motives), means, opportunity...We also have visual and forensic evidence, etc...

    On the other side, we have anecdotal evidence, and conspiracy theories not based in reason...some of these theories espoused (not referring to BB folk, but more the "authors" of some of these ideas) border on the laughable.

    I think I'll stick with the nineteen muslim terrorists as the explanation. It's the one that is correct.
     
  6. Marcia

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    When you first started the thread, at the bottom is a question asking if you want to make this a poll, and then it asks you how many options you want to give and if people can choose more than one option. When you fill those in, it comes up as a poll.

    You could try it again, or get a mod to help you.
     
  7. Marcia

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    Answer to question: Islamic terrorists.
     
  8. Alcott

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    Americans' minds are polluted with all the James Bond-type, double-agent, triple-agent, ignore-the-obvious conclusion, nothing-is-what-it-appears mindset. JFK-- conspiracy! MLK-- conspiracy! Really landing on the moon?-- conspiracy! Yeah, yeah.... 9-11?-- conspiracy! Sure, sure. Don't we wish it were as simple as that there are evil people with evil motivations, or else twisted egotistical minds with twisted egotistical motivations?

    Stop overlooking that one or a few people can cause a great deal of damage that changes the world; technology has made that very possible. We don't live in a comic strip or a mystery novel, or a game of Clue we are trying to solve and win.
     
  9. Palatka51

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    Yep, I'm in agreement as well. This is after all Generation X as in the X-files.
     
  10. Ed Edwards

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    Timeline

    19 April 1995 - McVeigh (with help before-hand)
    19 April 1995 - bombs Federal Building in OKC
    19 April 1995 - 162 killed

    11 Sept 2001 - 19 Radical Muslim Terrorists
    11 Sept 2001 - attack USofA (New York, Pentagon, etc)
    11 Sept 2001 - 4K+ killed

    1996 - Did Feds know?
    2002 - Did Feds know?

    1997 - Feds knew ahead of time conspiracy
    2003 - Feds knew ahead of time conspiracy

    2000 - USFederalGov did-it conspiracy
    2006 - USFederalGov did-it conspiracy
     
  11. donnA

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    evidence trumps theory anyday.
     
  12. ray Marshall

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    In other words, you think I am a "conspiracy nut?"
     
  13. Alcott

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    I think you may be. Among your "many reasons that don't make sense," give us a list of half a dozen-- which is not that many.
     
  14. SpiritualMadMan

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    Ever hear of Ockam's Razor?

    Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
    This is often paraphrased as "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best." In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities.

    In short:
    An alternative version "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate" translates "plurality should not be posited without necessity".

    In other words:
    conspiracy should not be posited without necessity

    Mike Sr.
     
  15. rbell

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    I didn't say you were a conspiracy nut.

    I will say that your conspiracy theory's nutty. :D
     
  16. Ed Edwards

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    I'm not paranoid about conspiracy theories; THEY are out to get me - that is NOT paranoia if they really out to get one.

    I'd spend more time studying conspiracy if I were not so busy spending most of my time trying to outdo those who are out to get me :saint:
     
  17. bobbyd

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    i'm with you on this.:thumbs:
     
  18. ray Marshall

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    1. As being familiar with explosives in the coal mines, we put off shots in megasecond delays. Didn't something look funny with how the buildings fell straight down? All three buildings. With megasecond delays, you can make a shot do as you like to. I worked with this procedure in the mines. 2 This one I'm not acquainted with with experience but experts have said that diesel fuel and karosene doesn't burn hot enough to melt the steel contained in the construction of the three buildings. In other words, it wasn't hot enough to melt steel.
    3. Why were there no US aircraft checking out the airplanes that hit the two towers and the Pentagon?
    4. The pentagon was suppose to be hit by a large plain. Wouldn't there have had to be some of the wreckage, wings,tail piece and air plane motors visable afterwards.
    4. The same thing in Pennsylvania. Where is some of the wreckage visable after the plane landed in a field?
    6. The air piolots could have flipped the plains unside down and the terrorist would have been thrown out of control. They are trained pilots and they can control the plane however they won't too.
    7 The planes evidently were on automatic control otherwise, and who put them on automatic control?
     
  19. Baptist Believer

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    Coal mines are not buildings. The structural stability of buildings relies on some fundamental support systems maintaining load-bearing integrity. Once those fail, gravity tends to take things straight down.

    If you want to melt steel into molten liquid, then you need something that burns hotter than diesel fuel, kerosene, and burning paper/wood. However, you don't need to melt steel to a liquid for it to lose strength, allowing a collapse. Steel (and other metals and substances for that matter) lose strength at much lower temperatures than what is required to "melt" them. The temperature of jet fuels and the fires in the building are enough to cause structural failure considering the damage to a number of supporting structures caused by the impact of the aircraft.

    Fighters were scrambled to the region but did not arrive in time. The U.S. government was not on alert for this type of threat until the hijackings began to occur. Furthermore, we have rules regarding the use of afterburners over populated areas because of the damage from sonic booms they can create (which were ignored later than morning as the situation developed). Furthermore, our government was still trying to figure out who had the authority to shoot down a plane full of innocent passengers before we knew for certain what the hijackers were planning to do. By the time we knew for certain, the impacts had occurred.

    Much of that debris followed the fuselage into the building, although there was plenty of evidence that a plane had crashed. If you look for photographic evidence, you will find it. One Two

    The plane didn't "land" in a field, it plummeted at very high speed into the ground and left a crater filled with shattered debris and body fragments. See photos on the right of this page.

    Uh huh. So, have you even flown a large passenger jet inverted? Have you even heard of anyone doing it without crashing the plane? These jets are not stunt planes or crop dusters. The pilots were trying to avoid getting anyone hurt.

    Remember, the pilots don't yet know what was happening to them. At the time these jets were hijacked, no planes had yet crashed into buildings. Furthermore, standard procedure with hijackings is that the hijacker wants something (often political) and has no intention of killing themselves or most of the hostages. (If you were alive and paying attention to the world outside your home in the 1970s-1990s, you would know this.) Flight crews and passengers were told to cooperate with the hijackers for everyone's safety. Certainly, that's not true today. Furthermore, when the passengers of Flight 93 realized that the hijackers intended to kill everyone on the plane as well as people on the ground, things changed very quickly. You can't judge early 9/11 behavior by post 9/11 knowledge of events.

    I don't even understand this assertion. The hijackers had some flight training so they were able to manage the basic instruments. The most difficult parts of learning to fly and plane are the take-off and landings. The hijackers didn't have to do either of these.
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    You list of evidence/allegations makes little sense. A small amount of common knowledge and common sense (plus the willingness to consider evidence that might contradict your sensationalist theory) easily disproves these allegations.
     
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  20. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Brother Elder Ed Edwards -- Preach it! :thumbs:

    Ed, you showed that the Conspiracy Events are very predictable going through the states in a predictable manner INDEPENDENT of the type event -- but totally dependent upon the nature of Conspiracy Theory(ies).

    Unfortunately the Conspiracy Events that blame the US Government appear to me to be quite UN-PATRIOTIC, UN-AMERICAN, and UN-CHRISTIAN. But that is my own personal opinion. In general Conspiracy Theories destroy the Rights & Abilities of Victims to come to closure.
     
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