Featured Why did Jesus allow the Devils to attack the pigs?

Correct. A cobra is capable of biting without injecting venom.

I eagerly await another Rabbit Award.

 

You are joking, right? :laugh: I was rebutting your comment about cobras, not making statements about lions and scorpions.

 

Show me where cobras are mentioned in the text. Might as well say a meteorite could hit him. Did you know that a meteorite can kill a man? Or don't you believe that meteorites can kill a man?

 

Not from the text you can't.

Reread the three accounts.

• The demon's intent is never made known.
• The possibility of death by other means is never mentioned.
• Other animals are never mentioned
• Snakes are never mentioned.
• Scorpions are never mentioned.
• Cobras are never mentioned.

 

Very interesting, considering that in this thread you started:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=97562

you argue that two strong arguments for the pretrib rapture are:

In this other thread you argue that because something is not mentioned, it is not there, yet in this thread you argue that because something is not mentioned, it means it is there.

I believe this is called an inconsistent position.

Anyway, you did not refute my argument that if the demons truly wanted the possessed men to be dead, they could have killed them many times over, yet did not. If they wanted the men dead, why didn't they take action to see that it happened? If they can make a man run around naked and cut himself with stones surely they can make a man cut his wrists and bleed out?

 

I do. The deadliest scorpion in the world lives in that area. Hottentotus scaber (spelling is probably off; I'm posting from memory). While in Iraq some guys caught some and made them fight camel spiders.



But, the demons had power of that man's body. If he was stung, they could have preserved him. Demons have the same power as angels, and are free to use that power as they will, within boundaries.



My conclusion is that I they wanted him dead, he would have already been dead. But I wouldn't get heated over it. It's just opinion, and changes nothing.

 

Do I think there were no flies around pigs? I was raised on a farm. I understand flies and farm animals. You missed the point. You are interjecting variables that are not part of the account and trying to get Scripture to say something that is not there. The man was possessed by demons that caused no end of torment. It was not flies, lion, tigers and bears.

You say the Bible need not spell everything out for us. I agree. The point of the whole encounter has nothing to do with pigs. It has everything to do with Jesus' power over the demons. Jesus could have commanded them to the abyss. He could have let them possess cows or deer or robins. He could have put them in a burlap sack. The point of the whole incident is the power and authority of Jesus Christ. The demons trembled at His coming. The demons feared His command.

Focus on the true Power in the story- Jesus Christ! There is no hidden meaning in pigs.

 

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Excellent observation

 

Translation: no one agreed with me, but I still think I'm right.

 

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So since you are off to other debates will you return to your rapture debate?

 

Well, since the OP has moved on, I guess it's ok if I rabbit trail here to talk about camel spiders.



Camel spiders are not actually spiders. They are sopulgids, which are actual closer to scorpions than spiders. Another name for a camel spider I sun scorpion.



They do not bite, but rather have 4 mandibles that come together to make a form of a stinger. They are not poisonous, but they have so much bacteria on their mandibles that a sting left untreated is the same as a minor poison. They are not deadly, no matter the stories you hear of them killing dogs with a bite.



They can get huge. The ones we saw were about the size of my open hand.



There are stories of them chasing soldiers. This is actually because they want to stay in the relative cool of a shadow. They also do not scream.



They have 8 legs, but have appendages in from, similar to a scorpion's claws, but without pincers, giving the illusion of ten legs. These appendages act as an insect's antennae.



The scorpions killed the camel spiders easily.

 

...Again.

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You need to give yourself a rabbit. :tongue3: