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Please notice that the underlying Greek is not the same phrase as in the OP. The Greek word in these two Acts passages is medamos (Strong's #3365) which does not appear elsewhere in the NT.

Please notice that the AV did translate the same Hebrew word in the OT as all of the following: "(My) God forbid" about 9 times, "far be it (from me/thee)" four times, "(that) be it far" five times, and thrice as "Lord forbid". The Hebrew word is chaliylah (Strong's #2486) and is the only Hebrew word/phrase in the KJV translated as "God forbid".]

 

Yep, it's always been the best. "God forbid" has the impact upon the hearer none other endering could afford.

Remember, when God forbids it, it should never be.

 

Since when does a Christian let the lost world edit their Bible?

Please explain!

 

Oh, good! Then all of the casual observers that agree with Sal and believe that there really is a contradiction will be able to actually explain it to the rest of us.

{seem to be having a technical problem with this computer}

 

Dependent solely upon the frame of the ear of the hearer.

BTW, thanks again for the insults, they are evidence that I am still right.:godisgood:

 

Salamander: //Please explain!//

I've been called to minister to lost people.
In 63 years as a person
and 55 years as a Christian person,
I've found out lost people won't respond to
one at all if I:

1. hit or use missiles to hit them
2. If I use nasty words (somehow lost people
think Christian People shouldn't use bad langauge)
3. If I act like a 'self-righteous hypocrite'

I just this week got kicked out of an alledged Christian
Web Site for using the term 'Whore'.
That word is used in 15 verses in the KJV1611 Edition
and the KJV1769 Edition - Bibles which I read DAILY.
The term is NOT used in the HCSB = Christian
Standard Bible /Holman, 2003/ which I also read
daily.

Caveat: People who can't follow the discussion
shouldn't read the next verse -- they might think
I'm talking about them

So Jer 3:3b in the HCSB reads:
You have the brazen look of a prostitute
and refuse to be ashamed.

Salamander: //Since when does a Christian let the lost world edit their Bible?//

I'm not. I'm
following Biblical commands straight from Jesus
by not offending those whom I might help
beleive in Messiah Yeshua:

Matthew 18:6 (KJV1611 Edition):
But who so shall offend one of these little ones
which beleeue in me, it were better for him
that a milstone were hanged about his necke,
and that hee were drowned in the depth of the Sea.

I see nothing added to the meaning
of the command when I say:

But who so shall offend one of these little ones
which MIGHT beleeue in me, it were better for him
that a milstone were hanged about his necke,
and that hee were drowned in the depth of the Sea.

Mat 10:16 (KJV1611 Edition):
Behold, I send you foorth as sheepe
in the middest of wolues: be yee
therefore wise as serpents,
and harmelesse as doues.

We who are wise in winning souls will NOT
turn off lost folks nor beat them over the
head with our Maxi-Jumbo-Print 16-pound Bibles.

 

Oh? So you think God honours man's rationalizations over His word now?

Hmmmm? I thought His word went out to accomplish that which He ordained it to do?

A lost world uses words much more offensive than any Biblical word. Their demanding certain words to be offensive is against God altogether and places their "authority" above God's.

I mean, when a sodomite is offended by the use of the term and demands I call "it" a homosexual or refer to "it" as gender nuetral or such, it is not me that is offending them, but God offending theuir desire to remain ignorant of His word.

Now if my motivation is insensitve and I am set out to offend anyone by using God's word as a weapon formed in my hands, then I would not be right with God.

I find your rationalization to be more likened to compromise than actual truth. Sorry if that offends, but maybe I misunderstood your rationale.

 

This idiom is as good for the 21st Century
as 'God forbid' was for the 17th Century:

No way, Jose!

 

Cool. And I do think that Wycliffe had a big influence as well.

FA

 

Why did the KJV translators not use it every time the same Greek words were used?

 

Roger, they did consistently use "God forbid" for the Greek in the NT. The two Acts passages have a different Greek word. It was in the OT that the AV revisors used several English phrases for the Hebrew word. So, perhaps you want to know why they chose to do so in the OT? Of course, the answer is: we'll not know for sure on this Earth.

 

Nope, I was in error. If they were consistent in translation of the Greek words fair play to them. I don't mind the translation at all.

 

So now your arguement is that this "Jose" is the equivelent for God?

Hmmm, and I hadn't realized the depths (personal attack snipped).

 

God was not in the Greek any more than Jose is - no one is equating God and Jose

 

I certainly disagree and made no personal attack as you presumed.

Asking "IF" one is equating the two is not coming to a conclusion about the matter as you have done.

Stating that I hadn't realised the depths apostasy has reached could only be construed as an attack against anyone is presumptuous of you. I merely addressed the ideal, not Brother Ed!

But I do have to admire your audacity to say "God was not in the Greek" when so many here like concur that the Greek is so superior to English when discussing the word of God.

 

BTW, concerning where we find "God forbid" is more relevent to God being on the Throne than "No way, Jose" would be when either is inserted due to the fact that the latter would be either placing "Jose" on that Throne or ourselves in that we forbid the preceding or proceeding thought offered in the Bible.

I offered that as a chance for reason, not as a personal attack as you constructed it to be.

But what else should I expect other than censure based solely upon bias?

 

I can never figure things out.
77 posts on this topic when I thought it deserved three.

μὴ γένοιτο / me genoito is found 15 times in the NT.

Luke 20:16
Romans 3:4
Romans 3:6
Romans 3:31
Romans 6:2
Romans 6:15
Romans 7:7
Romans 7:13
Romans 9:14
Romans 11:1
Romans 11:11
1 Corinthians 6:15
Galatians 2:17
Galatians 3:21
Galatians 6:14

The KJV is consistent in translating it, “God forbid”.
The other versions use a variety of expressions to express the same phrase.

The NIV uses, "By no means", "Absolutely not!", "Never!", “May this never be!".

Rob