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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by ktn4eg, Dec 12, 2013.

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  1. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
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    "Always?" Uh, no. There are 3 direct and 3 indirect references to the Holy Spirit in the KJV.
     
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    You will have to take that up with God. He is the One who inspired the word "pneuma" as a neuter noun, and the pronoun referring to Him is also neuter. "αυτο το πνευμα συμμαρτυρει"
     
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    The two words were pretty much interchangeable in late Middle and early Modern English. That can be seen by looking at earlier English versions such as Tyndale, Bishops, and Geneva Bibles, all of which use "Holy Ghost" when referring to the Holy Spirit.

    To say "ghost" is a mistake is simply ignorance propelled by arrogance. To think some half-educated poster on the Baptist Board is a better expert in Greek translation than Tyndale, Calvin, Whittingham, and the top language experts in the world who worked on the revision of the Bishops Bible which we now call the KJV is beyond the pale. But that is what the Baptist Board is known for, so I am not surprised.
     
    #23 TCassidy, Dec 13, 2013
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    N/m ......
     
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    From the tone of most of your posts the last few days, I think we can all be grateful for that fact.
     
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    I understand what you are stating here in regards to why they would be perfectly allowed to translate the Holy spirit as being an "It", but also think that many cults who use just the KJV would leap on that, and also in contex, much better to call Him He not, not an it!
     
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    NONE here posting have or are stating that Ghost is wrong, just that the term would have made sense much more so in KJV times, but not so much now, as understanding of thatterm have different connotations now!
     
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    Uh, actually, someone did:
    :)
     
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    My Perspective

    One of the things I learned from my mentor Dr. Danny Harvey, was that the Word of God came to us by men of God that were called of God, for the particular purpose of bringing us His perfect words. These men were given “wisdom that is from above” to accomplish the task before them.

    Many today (who are not called to give us an English Bible), now wish to criticize both the ability, and the work of those who God called to bring us our English Bible in the KJV. A simple review of the biographies of these men should convince most people. It has been my observation that those who criticize the most, lack the spirit of humility possessed by the men of God who brought us the King James.

    That's my perspective. :type:

    KJV Preacher
     
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    It often is a translators preference. These passages use πνεύμα which can be translated either "Spirit" or "Ghost."

    As I recall, most modern translations opt for "Spirit" as this captures the proper understanding of the role of the third person of the Trinity.
     
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    The word pneuma in the Greek can't possibly be translated "ghost." It is a horrible conclusion for the KJV translators to have reached, yet tradition kept it "ghost" for 290 years until the ASV first used "spirit" in 1901.
     
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