Why dont we keep the Sabbath again?

Alright, that will take a while...Thought this was a given.

 

See my post #40. I think that is what you want to know. If that isn't specific enough, then I can elaborate.

 

? No all 9 of the commandments have roots in the NT, repeated in some form or another so I thought that is why we believe they are binding (to some degree). Only the Sabbath day isn't repeated specifically, and yes it was a command for Israel but it appeared a given it had been a command followed all along. I'll do more study ...

 

Read the limitations that the Bible put on keeping the Sabbath. First it started on sundown of Friday to sundown on Saturday. The time is obligatory. You can't play around with the law. They couldn't gather sticks for fuel. One who did was stoned. I wonder what the equivalent of that woulde be in our modern day society? Perhaps turning on your furnace? Or any switch that involves electricity? The penalty--stoning.
Travel on the Sabbath was limited to half a mile.
Cooking was forbidden.
The only allowable activities would be worship of God and rest.

Are you sure that you keep the Sabbath holy. Study the OT law and see.

 

Jesus as you say "played around with it".

Act 18:4And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

It seems that Christian began keeping the 1st day of the week as a Christian Sabbath in about 33 AD in honor of Jesus raising from the grave on the 1st day of the week, which no doubt would give good reason for it being a Holy day. I have absolutely not problem following the early Christians on keeping Sunday as the Sabbath.

Then again others say it started with Origen: You will observe that the first mention of Sunday being a day of rest was in 220AD by Origen. There was no mention of the Sabbath before Moses, only the Seventh day. One scripture says to keep the 1st day and the seventh day holy.

Exd 12:16And in the first day [there shall be] an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save [that] which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.


BBob,

 

Paul also went into the synagogues. He did so because that is when the Jews gathered, and he had the opportunity to preach to them. In an Islamic nation, with a six day working week, Christians most often meet on Friday, the Islamic holy day. Missionaries often go and preach to the people on that day of the week, when the people gather together. There is no command in Scripture to assemble on the Sabbath. There is no command to assemble on Sunday either. Most do so in remembrance of the resurrection of Christ.

Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

Did you forget the context. The feast of unleavened bread lasted for an entire week of which there was a first day and a last day. Every day: Day 1,2,3,4,5,6, and 7 they could eat no unleavened bread. In that respect every day was a day of rest. Was that ever a verse pulled out of context Bob!!

 

Agree.......

 

We are all commanded to love God with all our heart, and to love our neighbors as ourselves. On these two hang all the law and the prophets. And we are all commanded to do unto others as we would have them do unto us. In so doing we fulfill the law.

When Paul speaks of love as the fulfillment of the law, of which law is he speaking? He said this to jew and gentile alike. (Romans 13:8, 10; Gal. 5:14) Is there one kind of love of the jews, and another for the gentiles?

And when the Scriptures say that all have sinned, against whom did all sin, and how do they receive the knowledge of their sin? They sin against God, and it's by the law that one receives the knowledge of sin, for sin is the transgression of the law.

So if the law concludes that all have sinned, then all are under the law, whether or not they were the recipients of the special revelation.

 

Now back to my original question:

 

Joe, here is a scripture that must be dealt with if you want to continue in believing maintaining the Sabboth (Saturday) is still necessary:

The NT clearly states under the inspiriation of God the Holy Spirit that the Sabboth keeping isn't necessary to be kept any more. And in addition to that, we as Gods children should not judge anyone regarding the keeping of it either.

They are a 'shadow' of things to come, and since Christ HAS ALREADY COME, those things where were shadows have disappeared in the light of the Son. It is in that light that no shadow exists anymore. There is nothing wrong in keeping the Sabboth of rest, but at the same time we are no longer bound to keep it since Christ IS our Rest, the work IS finished and therefore like God who rest after the work was completed, so do we in Him.

Also, in Acts when the Council came together to decide what to command the Gentiles to do or keep in accordance with a godly walk as becometh christians, the Sabboth keeping was never mentioned.

The SDA are wrong on this like a multitude of other things.

 

As his boss/master, Yes he could 'rightly' have denied him a day off.

At the same time being a christian himself, what cause would he have to deny him one day or part of day to worship God.

Better question should be asked is this:
Why did Paul not command Philemon to give him a day of rest 'as says the Law' if he were to keep and or maintain the Sabboth?

 

This appears to be both a ceremonial, and a moral command. In Exodus 20:8-11 Sabbath is defined as being observed without any ceremony at all .
Gen 2:2-3 we see the Sabbath created long before any Jewish ceremony.

 

I wish you fellows would quit trying to make everyone go to work on Sunday.........

BBob,

 

Let me rephrase the question:

Would Philemon be just in the eyes of God, if he denied Onesimus a day off to rest or to worship?

 

But NNE was commanded to observe it in Gen. There was only ONE command that God gave to man that man should NOT do. That command was not to eat of the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. That was the ONLY command given to man that He should not do.

Now there are two other commands that God gave to man that man WAS to do.
1. Multiply and fill the Earth
2. Subdue all things

Not one mention of observing the Sabboth is EVER mention, infered, or even alligorically alluded to. God was and is specific in that which He desires of us is He not? So why is this left out completely? Answer: because it was not something they needed to do.

The ONLY time we see the Sabboth commanded to be observed is in relation to the command given TO ISRAEL.

 

Why do you feel it needs rephrasing?

Again the answer does not change, specifically in regard to my last line as seen here:

 

Hi again Joe,

The "Law" is the Torah, the first 5 books of the Bible.

Talmudic Jews have identified 613 "mitzvouth" or "laws" that must be kept.
If you break one point in this Law you have broken them all.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.​

That Christians are not under the Law or required to keep any of them was decided shortly after the Day of Pentecost:

Acts 15

5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

This is your birthright, follow after the Spirit, He will never lead you astray and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

Some ask how to do this...

Fish swim, birds fly, the children of God follow Him.

But even if one of His little lambs wonders off and goes astray we have this promise:

Matthew 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?


HankD
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If one feels they are bound under this law, (old covenant)then I guess they would need to follow it in the manner it was instituted. God worked for 6 days, and rested on the 7th sanctifying it as THE Holy Day set apart from all the other six. He is our role model, showing us exactly what to do.
For us to honor the Sabbath as our Creator himself has shown us, it would need to be honored from Sundown Fri-Sundown Sat.
This in combination with it being the 4th commandment is why I feel it still applies. Yet not in the strict manner it applied to the Jews.
Sometimes I work on the Sabbath Day, so I am not that strict about it. Try to avoid secular activities on the Sabbath

 

Alan,

Colossians 2:16-20 KJV So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not[a] seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.
20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations


Colossians 2:16 Imo, verse no more wipes out all Sabbath-keeping than it wipes out all eating and drinking (referred to in the same verse). The moral is not to subject ourselves to man-made regulations, imo

We are not to judge one another upon the topics listed in the verse, true. If someone honors the Sabbath day on Sunday, imo that won't prevent them from gaining Salvation because of Christ's work on the Cross. The "Let no one judge you, probably also refers to the manner in which you keep the Sabbath. Some may stay home and sleep, interpreting the day of rest as just that while others may participate in outdoor activities.

 

Hi Hank,

Yes, there is certainly grace there, Matt 18:12. I don't believe this is a salvation issue for all, yet people should have enough information to make the decision for themselves.

" Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?" Acts 15:10

Following God's example isn't placing a yoke upon our necks imo. It's certainly more effort to honor the 7th day Sabbath.
If one chooses to follow it as the Jews had, I could see it being a yoke, not to mention totally unnecessary.

If followed as God has shown, as we follow the other 9 commandments, then it seems reasonable.

Mark 2:27,28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath

It doesn't say the Sabbath was made for the Jews. It was made by God before Adam and Eve.