Why Expose the Errors of Catholicism?

My point is that the Jews were no more predicted to reject the Messiah than the Catholic church was to invent things like Purgatory, the immaculate conception, Mary-queen-of-heaven or praying to the dead, teaching the Lords Supper as a continual offering and continual sacrifice, slaughtering fellow catholic armies or torturing catholic reformers etc. Neither group "had to do it".

I have not published here the Bible study that would show how the Catholic church is identified as a key character in history according to God's Word. Though Christ and Paul presented the OT case for the failings of the Jews being in violation of scripture AND showing the true mission of the Messiah - I have not presented the OT and NT case regarding the Catholic Church.

My first step is just to get a discussion near the objective point of "admitting" that the Catholic church is a significant part of Christian history - significant enough to be mentioned EVEN if she engaged in the atrocities of the dark ages. As Bill Putman claims to sorow over those atrocities - I would hope that some Catholics would ALSO admit that having such crimes INSIDE a church as significant as the Catholic Church in history - "might" be something "God would notice".

In Christ,

Bob

[ October 06, 2003, 11:16 PM: Message edited by: BobRyan ]

 

Lets see "if we find" the Perfect environment as we observe the RCC marshalling catholics to slaughter fellow catholics.

(at least according to Catholic scholars and historians THEMSELVES).

According to Bokenkotters "A Concise History of the Catholic church" the same cardinals that elect Urban claim that the "mob" altered the elections and so they elected another Pope - free of the mob. And thus began the great schism pg 166-168.

Before the schism - when Gregory XI died the Romans feared a French Pope "might" be elected. As Bokenkotter states (pg 166)

finally they came across the solution "the resignation of both Popes". A solution they would try when opportunity was present.

all three successors to the three Pope system were deposed.


At this time they also burned John Huss at the stake!! What a fitting crime.

On November 11, 1417 the used a new system - the cardinals were joined by six delegates of each RC nation - thirty in all - .

That group then selected the next Pope - a complete break from all three papal lines !!!!


In Christ,

Bob

 

Is it any wonder non-Catholics want to place a spotlight on the many centuries of the dark ages and show how God not only predicted the apostacy we find that - but also how Catholics need not suffer under such a system?

In Christ,

Bob

 

I guess that was the part mentioned above about Cahtolics being trained to slaughter fellow catholics in the dark ages.

Or maybe it was the part about the Pope having his cardinals tortured and then tossed over the sides of his Papal Warship. (Imagine Billy Graham having HIS pope-like warship to toss his church leaders over after torturing them).

Or maybe it was the part where Dr. Carroll agrees that the RCC would indeed have burned Billy Graham (or anyone like him) at the stake in the dark ages for teaching then what he taught recently.

Or maybe it was the part where they ....

(I suppose this direct answer to your direct question could go on for some period of time).

The point is - that living in the dark ages is no longer a requirement for our Catholic Bretheren.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Catholic Convert speaking of my pointing out Catholic Sources that decry the Dark Ages practices of the Catholic church in "forced conversions and burning people at the stake"...

As you so quickly point out - it is worse than simply knowing the historic fact of those atrocities - rather there remain Catholics today that agree with them still (as you are about to say).

So "beyond" my simply saying something-bad-about-catholic-history -- I am trying to point out the errors in the church that lead to persecution of the saints, that lead to wrong thinking even today and that make it identifiable in scripture as it fell into apostacy.

Far from the sin of one man or two - or the sin of one year or two - it is an entire denomination bringing in doctrinal error, and persecuting chrsitians over a period of centuries.

That means that those who accept the light can turn from the unchristian ideas of burning people at the stake in the dark ages.


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Or maybe it was the part where Dr. Carroll agrees that the RCC would indeed have burned Billy Graham (or anyone like him) at the stake in the dark ages for teaching then what he taught recently.
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Yes, I fully undertand that. Forced mind-control, torture, burnings at the stake etc are all "acceptable" to people who have placed their conscience under the control of a man - rather than God. If the Pope condoned it in the dark ages - then the people of the dark ages did it "thinking they were serving God, doing God a favor".

Because I would not find them there. They are the saints, persecuted and dying for the faith - and beneficiaries of eternal life.

EVEN the RCC TODAY claims that Lutherans, Baptists etc ARE going to heaven.

The situation COULD NOT BE worse for the RC practices of the dark ages.

ON that point we agree. It is the people in hell that believe in forced mind-control.

Funny that in Acts 20 where Paul addresses this - NOT ONE killing! Not even a hint of it.

In fact in all the heresies Paul addressed in the NT church - not ONE killing!

Turn from the dark ages CathConvert! Come into the light. Join the Pope's own blue ribbon group of scholars in condemning the atrocities of the past.

(Notice how your fellow Catholics on this board do not urge you to take this course of action? Well, silent though they may be on that point, I urge you to consider it).

In Christ,

Bob

 

Still avoiding the point?

Your OWN CHURCH rejects your statement that Lutherans go to hell!!

This is a HUGE problems for all those Catholics burning the saints at the stake because now EVEN the RCC itself admits that Lutherans, Calvinists, Baptists etc are all going to heaven.

You are simply digging your own hole deeper with those kinds of responses. Time to throw away the shovel.

Come on up out of there. Join the Pope's blue ribbon study group of scholars that are condemning the atrocities of the dark ages - "instead" of clinging to them.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Then why burn Catholic reformers at the stake whose only crime was promoting that very thing?

I smell a coverup.

In Christ,

Bob