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Why I am King James Only.

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by ChelleBell, Jul 24, 2006.

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  1. mcdirector

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    It does Pastor -- I didn't read it carefully enough the first time. Thanks for pointing me back to it.
     
  2. Hope of Glory

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    Yet, there are those who think that the only way to truly get the preserved word of God into other languages is to translate the KJV into their language.
     
  3. Keith M

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    The only straw men are in the KJVO camp, Larry. The KJVO stance has been shown over and over and over and over again to be nothing but myth. So if you want to ignore truth go right ahead. God's word has existed down through the ages - it was not preserved in only a single English Bible version expected to remain viable for all eternity. God's word, and not the KJV is eternal. God's word appears in the NKJV, the NASB and several other various English translations. There is no logic to discuss here, because the KJVO stance is purely myth - no truth to it in any way, shape or form. ​
     
  4. Keith M

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    We have heard this over and over again, and it still isn't true. I have yet to see anyone on this board "diss" the KJv. It is God's holy word, and it should be revered as the word of God. What people do attack in these pages is the KJVO myth - and that myth is certainly not to be revered. ​

    One can believe the KJV is the word of God while still believing God has the power to preserve His word in translations that will be understood by all generations. The KJVO myth limits God's power to do this - it implies God is weak because He could only preserve His word in a single English Bible version. And that is pure blasphemy.​
     
  5. pinoybaptist

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    If the KJV is the only preserved word of God in the English language, then the flipside is that the other translations are not God's preserved word in the English language, and since the KJV is the one which is preserved, it is only thru the KJV that God's power will manifest itself in converting sinners. Take note, I am talking about conversion, and not regeneration.
    Now, in another thread (http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=31751), I posted the story of Boy Bilibid (street name which means "Prison Kid" in English), an ex-communist hitman in the late 70's and early 80's in the Philippines.
    For lack of space, I did not mention anymore that this person was as hardcore communist as they come, and in his time was responsible and/or suspected of many hits.
    In prison, somebody gave him the NIV.
    He read it, was converted while reading it with no help from any man, did something which commuted his sentence from death to life and lower and lower until he was finally released, and now pastors a small "non-denominational" church (if he's still living) south of my country.
    Now, I suppose that conversion is invalid because he read about the Savior from a non-KJV Bible ?
    What do you think ?
     
  6. mcdirector

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    I'm not KJVO, so maybe I shouldn't say anything, but I think it is wonderful!
     
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  7. Phillip

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    So, what is the preserved Word in the more than 2000 languages spoken throughout the world many of which do not have a Bible yet?

    How about China, who I understand only has a C.T. translation?

    What was the English preserved Word before 1611. Let's say 1550?

    I noticed someone else was talking about the nice translators; why do people try to change history from psuedo-catholics who would be catholics if it were not for Henry the eight and his extra wives.

    I have YET to see an adequate answer to a preserved English Word in 1550. When will this be answered honestly?
     
  8. Pastor_Bob

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    Sadly, there is no preserved Word of God in these languages. Praise the Lord for such organizations such as Wycliffe Bible Translators who are trying to get the Word of God into many of these languages.

    I would say that The Great Bible of 1539 and its subsequent editions would be considered as the preserved Word of God in 1550. This Bible, by Coverdale, was basically a revision of the text of Matthew's Bible of 1537.

    I guess today is your lucky day.
     
  9. Bro Tony

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    This again begs the question: many KJVOist making the claim that the KJV is perfect so there is no need for updated versions. If these listed above were the Word of God in the English version, why do we the KJV? And if the answer is to put them in an easier understood English or in the English of the day or common man, then logically we still need to update the Bible versions as our English language continues to change.

    Bro Tony
     
  10. TomVols

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    In all seriousness, what do KJVOS believe is the preserved translation for Spanish speakers? French speakers? Most of the time the answer I get is "the KJV translated into ________" (fill in the blank whatever language we are discussing).

    How would you answer that question, since you seem to argue that such an answer is a fringe (even though I sure do run into a bunch of the fringe) :smilewinkgrin:

    Thanks, friend
     
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    Yeah, that was the KJVO I was brought up in, and 100% of my KJVO friends (quite a few around here) argue this point.
     
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    Pastor Bob: // ... except for the extreme radical element of KJVO,
    which constitutes about 1% of all KJVOs.//

    May I, a KJVO type #2 also refer
    to "the extreme radical element of KJVO"?

    the extreme radical element of KJVO are the people
    who also teach (not all the extreme radical element of KJVO
    teach each of these, but all these elements are
    taught by some part of the extreme radical element of KJVO):


    1. The KJB (King James Bible) is same-same with Jesus, the Messiah

    2. It is a sin to read a MV.
    (sure puts a hamper on talking to non-KJVO ;) )

    3. The Translator Footnotes cause doubt so are Satanic

    Larry from ChelleBell account:
     
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    I never really had a firm opinion on the KJVO "debate" (term used loosely.) Now I do. While I prefer the KJV for personal reasons, my personal opinion on the KJVO position is, for lack of a better word, that it is "lame".

    Because it was first it was best? While the Word was inspired in its original form, nothing guarantees translations are error free. Apparantly, even the original translators had concerns with their accuracy. With advances in lunguistics, why couldn't a good translation come about today? Are we to beleive that God didn't want us to ever advance educationally in any way since 1611? Maybe we should only be reading it in the original tongues... everything else is falling short!

    BTW, scratch those questions... they were simply expressive. I see some folks are real militant about this and would love to convert folks through claims of papal plots and other alleged conspiracies. Though I am extremely conservative about many things related to the Church, I think this is one of those issues that just really is nothing more than an elitest position, or worse, one based on FUD.

    Now I see why this thread had the potential to get ugly.
     
  14. Ed Edwards

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    OrovilleTim: //Because it was first it was best?//

    But the KJVs weren't the first English Translations.

    And the first of the KJVs, the KJV1611 Edition,
    isn't the most popular of the KJVs. The KJV1769 Edition
    is in use by the majority of KJVOs.

    So the 'first is best' argument falls flat on it's face.
     
  15. David Michael Harris

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    I suppose the first was best but they have been lost :)

    Scripture needs to be studied, maybe God's way of keeping us on our toes!
     
  16. Pastor_Bob

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    I certainly cannot speak for KJVOs across the board, but since you asked how I would answer the question, I would seek the counsel of Missionaries or national pastors who serve in these countries and accept their choice of what they would consider to be the preserved Word of God.

    I believe the two versions that I mentioned in post #6 are the ones I would answer for Spanish and French speaking peoples, if my memory serves me correctly.
     
  17. robycop3

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    Pastor Bob:""We believe the KJV to be the preserved Word of God for English speaking people."

    Change the second "the" to "a" & it'd be right.
     
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    The basis behind the multiple English translations was not to make an updated or easier to understand translation; the objective was to take the multiple translations and combine them to create one principal translation.



    The key to this endeavor was the fact that all of the translations being considered all had a common textual basis. In our modern day, publishers wouldn't dream of scrapping the 200+ modern versions for one principal version. Their monetary gain would be lost if they did.

    The fact is, KJVOs do not believe that the KJV is outdated. The presence of archaic words (which are easily defined and understood after one simple explanation) simply give the KJV its beauty, orality, and dignity. That is why the KJV is, historically, the most popular and durable English translation.

     
  19. David Michael Harris

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    I think its ok to use old versions like the KJ as long as any obscurity is explained to the listeners. Heritage is important without a doubt.

    I think a Bible class or study group that is not interesting will obviously be boring :) Common sense I suppose. Looking into the meaning of Scripture is facinating for the true Christian. The Bible is the book of life so to speak. My Bible springs to life time to time.
     
  20. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    To be fair I must close both of these threads.
     
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