Why I like LIberals...

I have to ask you a question.

Was Jesus a liberal?

And what Scripture do you use to back up your views?

"It is always better to stand up for conservatism, then to fall into liberalism" Justified Version

 

What kind of answer is this?

Well?

"It is always better to stand up for conservatism, then to fall into liberalism" Justified Version

 

Please forgive me if I don't sound nice.

I haven't read many of your posts. In what ways would you qualify yourself as conservative and in what ways more liberal?

Not a very good conservative start...

Not a very difficult task when you don't hold to any absolutes... nothing beyond compromise... nothing that will not be sacrificed for the sake of fellowship. When we fundamentalists hold the Bible up as our standard, people's actions are judged... and rightly so. It is the Word of God. We should not make any apologies for "not being nice" when the Bible calls something sin.

How is it nice to let someone continue in an error when the Bible gives the truth?

Besides the obvious contradiction within your statement, I would tend to disagree. In fact, I would say that the opposite is true. They seem to want sin to reflect culture rather than scripture. If that is your definition then I would agree that they emphasize the "politically incorrect" sins.

Personally, I have never meet a liberal that had a strong grasp on the issue of grace. In general, their liberalism is motivated and defined by their belief in man's goodness... greatly discounting God's unmerited favor towards us.

Depends on the topic. You obviously haven't debated with BW Smith about evolution. They have their own dogmas and their own ways of "getting on your case." They tend to be condescending to those who are not as wise as they.

I imagine that many of them are nice in the generic sense. But don't mistake pity or condescension for "niceness." Many times, they think we disagree simply because we aren't as educated or intelligent as they are. They don't usually say it out loud... it is implied.

Again, find the issues they care about and you will see their other side.

Indeed, Lord help you.

 

First of all, Jesus was correct -- it was not a matter of conservative, fundamentalist, moderate or liberal opinion.

Second, the theological "liberalism" of Jesus certainly offended the theological conservatives (the Saducees) because of His "belief" in the resurrection -- a belief that the theological "liberals" (the Pharisees) embraced. (The Pharisees were theological liberals of their day because they believed in doctrine that wasn't clearly spelled out in the Old Testament, like resurrection.)

The theological "conservativism" of Jesus offended the theological "liberals" (the Pharisees) because he condemned their addition to and misinterpretation of the Law.

Third, the practical, or social, "liberalism" of Jesus offended the practical "conservatives" (the Pharisees) because of His insistence upon grace for the sinner instead of judgment and the primacy of the spirit of the Law over the letter of the Law.

The practical "conservativism" of Jesus offended the practical "liberals" (the Saducees) because He condemned them for not following the Law.

Depending on who you talked to:

Jesus was a liberal.
Jesus was a conservative.
Jesus was a radical.
Jesus was a heretic and blasphemer.
Jesus was a demoniac.
Jesus was insane.
Jesus was and is the Son of God.

His followers will often be called the same names as Jesus. In my opinion, if you are not routinely accused from both theological and social extremes (fundamentalist and liberal), you may not be walking the same theological and social path as Jesus.

 

Latrai This post is so petty. You know the way you describe liberals maybe you should become one. But I almost forgot, you said they were nice so would they let you join their ranks? Or for that matter me either, but I prefer to stay out. although I understand about hating sin and not the sinner, when the liberal Pastors discount most every sin as just a reinterpreted lifestyle, I am happy that I am too mean to be invited in.
Mean ol conservative ignorant Murph

 

Friend speaks my mind.

(Course, I'm known as a liberal around these parts, so maybe I'm a tad biased )

 

Latreia,
Although I have been blessed to find some very "nice" conservative brothers and sisters on this board, my experience has been the same as yours. True, shake a liberal hornets' nest and you'll also get stung-but there seems to be a whole lot less nests and you have to shake them harder. It seems like alot of the far right hornets come looking for you whether you've shook the nest or not.

 

I'm a open minded, conservative liberal with republican tendencies.

I'm impressed, Baptist Believer. Good form too.

[ August 16, 2002, 11:44 PM: Message edited by: post-it ]

 

Murphy,
Amen.

Latreia,
There are alot of unsaved in the world that are nicer, too. And the cults are loaded with nicer. Sometimes there are so many nice people out there that they nicely allow the lost to go to hell, for fear of offending. Are you sure you are conservative? I find more nicer conservatives than liberals every time I step foot in my church. And I have been to more than one conservative chuch, and every time, nicer greets me at the door.

 

Thanks.

Just don't threaten to take away our hummus, our granola, or our Birkenstocks !

Joshua

 

Hmmmm, maybe I AM doing something right!

 

I have to agree with your observation OliveB, but here's the rub to that fact. These more conservative members you are talking about are looking for new friend since they can't keep any very long. These people tend to have the same personality of Insurance Salesmen and Multi Level Marketing Amway types. If you don't follow their exact expectations after meeting you, they drop you like a rock. Same with the conservatives that seek new blood at the Church door. Once a conservative finds out about my liberal views they never talk to me again except in social grace.

So, I would rather skip this person and find a "real" person with normal expectations and acceptance of their Brother and Sisters.

 

Hmmm...try being a Pro Life Democrat and see if the Liberal Democrats will allow you to speak at the Democratic Convention. Hmmm...when has the NAACP invited Alan Keyes, Niger Innis to speak at one of their conventions Hmm...or how about how the Flordia Secretary of State had her looks attacked by the Liberal Democrats Hmmm...How about NOW and all those lovable feminists ignoring charges of sexual harrasment against Bill Clinton....Oh, those lovable fair minded teddy bear liberals

 

Originally posted by Scott J:

How is it nice to let someone continue in an error when the Bible gives the truth?

Hi Scott,
I was just curious at how one lets someone continue in error?
We are to be witnesses. If one is in error of the truth, I always read in the scriptures that the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. Should we speak the truth in love, and rely upon the Holy Spirit to convict? or should we continue clearing out the specks?
Just curious,
Naomi