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Why I Support Universal Healthcare Coverage

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Magnetic Poles, Sep 18, 2009.

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    See ? You won't address the points. either. Just barking over M.P.'s shoulder.
     
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    After all the times you said that option was off the table ?

    Caught in another lie. And you call us dumb ?
     
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    I want "for profit" auto companies out of our car care. I want a single payer system that keeps our salesmen and mechanics, but they get paid by the govt rather than these for profit firms.
     
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    The point is that insurance prices are too expensive and the coverage is too limited. We need to make health care affordable for all people regardless of income.
     
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    Then eliminate interstate restrictions, enact TORT reform, and let people deduct medical expenses.
     
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    No. Most have no choice now. You take what your employer offers. You still choose your doctor...the bill just goes somewhere else.
     
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    No "finally" to it. I have always been clear on this. Do you really believe health care is not rationed by the HMOs and insurance companies now? The death panel are what we need to get rid of. They work in the "for profit" insurers offices right now.
     
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    Bad analogy. You can't even drive if you are not healthy. You can't work. All else requires health to have life, liberty and to pursue happiness.
     
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    Just as fairly as I quoted you.
     
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    Baloney. What I want is not what the current plan offers. The plan is not on the table, but it is what I want. You are so quick to try to shout "YOU LIE" that you don't take time to comprehend what I said. I didn't call you dumb either, but you have proven that fact yourself right here.
     
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    Oh, like the system they have in Poland. I work with two people from Poland and we have recently spoken about this subject. They think socialized medicine is terrible.

    In Poland, everyone gets free health-care. Doctors are paid a salary. They get this salary whether they treat two people per month or two thousand.

    Well guess what? They treat as few as possible. Why would you want to treat one hundred people when you make the same money for treating two? In fact, you make less money the more you treat because doctors there must pay for many supplies and medicines.

    Sure, the coverage is free there, but you must wait months for treatment, that is, if you survive.

    You just don't get it. Making profits is what motivates people. A doctor who can make a profit will treat as many patients as possible. A doctor (or any worker) who is not allowed to make a profit will put in the least amount of work (and care) possible.
     
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    OK, so I take the first part back, but the part of having blood on my hands is still the stupidest thing you have ever said.
     
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    Sorry, it is you who just doesn't get it. Who said anything about putting doctors on a salary or mirroring every aspect of any other country's program.
     
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    And your stance on this DOES make you a liar.
     
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    As is saying anyone who voted for Obama has blood on their hands. It was said to make a point.

    Oh, and thank you for the retraction.
     
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    I never said it. But the fact is the number you quoted pales in comparison to the number of abortions performed every year. It's a horrible comparison, and you sound as bad as the people you are making your point against.
     
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    First of all, many unhealthy people do drive and to various degrees. Granted, I would not want a blind person driving (thus the law does discriminate) or someone in a coma, may have trouble starting a vehicle.
    But I suppose you did not realize this was a facetious example.

    One other point - you say that health care is rationed by HMO - ect. I agree - but that is the insurance plan in effect - just like the car insurance you purchase.

    You statement " health to have life, liberty and to pursue happiness." is from the Declaration of Independence it specifically says
    We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    The Declaration actually does not hold any legal status as the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. If you want to take it to the extreme then women are not entitled to those rights - and I suppose if you are an atheist - then you may not qualify either :smilewinkgrin:

    Bottom line - you may have a right to health care - meaning it can not be denied to you -if available - and ability to pay is part of the equation.

    For example, the pursuit of happiness - if my happiness is going to see a movie, does that mean the government must provide universal movie admission? Of course not!

    Contrary to popular belief of liberals, conservatives do not want people to die. We believe in the responsibility of the individual.

    Back to my example of a car. Currently NY requires 30 hours of supervised training of a minor prior to his taking a road test. If a parent does not own a vehicle and cannot afford to send his son for 30 driving lesson, does it then become the responsibility of the government to provide the training?

    MP - this is one question I would like you to answer:

    Where do you draw the line on government
    assistance?

    Salty
     
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    Well then why don't you explain how it is going to be done.

    Here is an article by a doctor who tells why this system does not work.

    http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/essays/no-to-care-by-committee/1033573
     
    #79 Winman, Sep 19, 2009
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    Simplified Answer: "I support Universal Health Care becasue Obama says that we need it."
     
    #80 sag38, Sep 19, 2009
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