Why is it always one sided?

I'm not. NO, I'm not. Really. Don't mind what I say. I'm really not. :laugh:

Then what an internal conflict you must have!

 

Do you know most blacks? And if it's true (that most blacks have a "victim mentality), I wonder why.

 

One on one at the Klan rally, I guess?

And the words just keep coming, and the hole gets deeper and deeper.

 

Wait a minute, you've confused me. Is your point that black people are more violent because of their genetics or that genetics is the reason they have a victim mentality?

Do you even know what you are saying, or are you just on a rant?

 

Would it be better if we said you seem to have a real disdain for black folks in general? That's how your posts come across.

 

There is a vast difference in subject between A) are the programs developed to encourage equality between the races now hurting rather than helping and B) why should black people be given their own(black only) celebrations and organizations.

Perhaps you should better specify which subject you wish to debate and stick with it.

 

Thank you MP and menagerie keeper for your posts.

I hate these kinds of threads, they are the same. Black people this, black people that. Let me ask you this Philipians121 can you define black culture for me? Can you please point out characteristics in black culture that are not also present in white culture? People like you claim that black people have a victimization mentality, yet when things, such as the “millions more march”, happen the black people organizing and/or attending them are promoting racism. Which is it?” Do black people claim no responsibility for their community, or are they racist for only pointing out the problems in their community and working to solve them?

You keep on with all this nonsense about black African men, of which, unlike you, I did not need a movie to inform me of the problems, yet you have not succinctly linked it to racism in America. BTW conflict diamonds have been an issue for many years and many people knew about them before Blood Diamond was even in pre-production. You mentioned the black rappers here buying diamonds, but you obviously did not do all of your homework. (Tsk Tsk) Conflict diamonds are illegal. The diamonds legally bought in most of the world undergo “Kimberly Process Certification Scheme”. Then in the US you have the Clean Diamond Trade Act of 2003 that ensures the success of the KPCS in the US. Surely you are not implying that black rappers buy their diamonds illegally, right? You keep whining about all the problems in Africa, as if it only has to do with black Africans. Did you even once stop to consider that fact that before European countries began colonizing Africa it was relatively conflict free. Consider this Africa before colonization was not neatly divided into countries with perceptible borders. Africans lived in nomadic tribes. When the Europeans decided to divide the continent into separate colonies they tended to not take into account the different tribes they were separating. The root cause of much of the African violence today stems from tribal violence. Take the genocide in Rwanda, for example, between the Tutsis and Hutus. What about Nigeria? Oh that’s the Ibo, Yoruba, and Hausa tribes. The list goes on and on. It is not as simple as you seem to make it. Years of struggle, discrimination, and violence at the hands of not only the “whites”, but also other African tribes play a huge role in these conflicts. Let’s not forget POVERTY and DISEASE. Don’t you think this is also plays a role in the general struggles and problems in Africa? Then there is religion. Again a major source of power struggles in Africa.

BTW stop insulting the intelligence of black authors, and black people in general, by saying they are agreeing with you. You do not even come close to understanding them or their viewpoint. Trust me they do NOT define the black culture as you. They admit to problems in the black community and address solutions to them, but they do NOT define as narrowmindly as you have done.

 

How quickly people forget. Remember Rev. Jesse Jackson and Kanye West after Hurricane Katrina? They were blasted in the media and just about everywhere else, including the black community, for their comments. Oh, then there is Farrahkan. Just about any time he opens his mouth people point out the racism it spews forth.

I find it somewhat comical that people have to refer back to "their black friends" in order to justify their "non-racism".

 

Good grief! You never had a coherent point to prove so don't go thanking us!

 

Oh please, it is a commentary on his experiences. He doesn't try to link it to all black people's experiences. He certainly has not proven any of your incoherent points.

Again, what is black culture? How do African Americans all claim this "victim mentality"? What does racism in America have to with Africa?

 

Here are some black authors for you to look up. Natasha Tarpley, a Harvard graduate and black author, has a lot of wonderful essays on "black culture" and the "black experience in America". I encourage you to read some of her work. Her essay, "Testimony", gives a very succinct example of what it means to be black in America.

Cornel West, is another example of someone who can give a succinct definition of what it means to be black in America.

Obama's book will surely give you insight into what it means to be black in America, and it is not "pity me I am a victim". Unless, of course, you consider it a victim of one's own bad choices.

I can give you several more authors, such as Kwame Appiah, James Baldwin, Henry Louis Gates, or Harriet Brent Jacobs, if your interested. I mean, seriously, how many black authors have you read? I mean you are qualifying a culture of approximately 38 million people, based on your limited knowledge, of what, 20-100 people at best?

There is also Alan Keys, Justice Clarence Thomas, and Colin Powell. All of whom are black conservatives and looked up to in the black community. Then there is Larry Elders. (at least I think it is Larry, I can't remember now for the life of me). Anyway, back to my point, none of these men would claim that black people are inherently "this or that". As far as the "victim" mentality they would argue that black leaders, like Jackson and Sharpton, like to champion the cause of black vicitimization, and that that has hurt the black community. Notice I did not say that they believe all black people are set in this mindset, nor even the majority of them. Hmmm...Kind of sounds like the author you posted. What is racist about that?

[edited Mp to you in regards to the article posted-don't know what I was thinking]

 

"Much of the social history of the Western world over the past three decades has involved replacing what worked with what sounded good. In area after area - crime, education, housing, race relations - the situation has gotten worse after the bright new theories were put into operation. The amazing thing is that this history of failure and disaster has neither discouraged the social engineers nor discredited them. " Thomas Sowell

This is the legacy of Civil Rights Act. And as to the OP: the disparity between what is real and what is imagined is just as much a result of the CRA. The white man is racist if he speaks the truth. But dare any of you call Thomas Sowell a racist?

There is no such thing as equality. Not in colors of skin, heredity, genes, social class, opportuniy, labor, employment, education nor any other area in life. And there never will be nor can be equality. Equality is a pipe dream. And it is part and parcel of the Communists philosophy.

Thems the facts ma'am.

 

What facts? Neither you, nor Phillipians121, have posted any facts. There has been a lot speculation and opinions, but not facts.

Enlighten me, give me some facts and back them up with numbers. Impress me with your vast knowledge of race relations and/or problems in the black community. While your at it define "black culture" for me, because no matter how many times I ask Phillipians121 won't.

Equality is not a pipedream, nor is it part and parcel of the "communist" philosophy. Unless of course you consider the founding fathers communist. They are, after all, the authors of the constitution.

 

Your black upperclass friends living in this mentality means the majority of black Americans feel the same way? HOGWASH! I say unless you can provide actual statistics backing up your claims you should ammend your statements to I believe. So far you have not provided any facts only conjecture.

BTW, I am well aware of the Bill Cosby situation. Did you know that, I believe it was the NAACP chair at the convention where Cosby made the comments, said that he should have kept the issues within the community. Not that Cosby was wrong, but that the media would turn the comments and twist them for their own purposes. The media did just that. People in the black community do not disagree with the Cosby's of the world, when it comes to problems within the community, you just do not see this on the mainstream media outlets.

Once again come up with some actual facts and leave the stereotypes behind. Provide some proof. Give some actual stats or facts. IOW, put up or shut up.